Confusion Between Unsteady and Turbulent Flow

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the distinction between unsteady and turbulent flow in fluid dynamics, exploring definitions, characteristics, and examples relevant to both concepts. The conversation includes inquiries about visual representations and real-life examples of these flow types.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the difference between unsteady and turbulent flow, noting similarities in fluid simulations.
  • Another participant outlines classifications of fluid flow based on time dependence and turbulence, stating that turbulent flow is generally unsteady due to its time-dependent nature.
  • A participant questions the inclusion of laminar flow in the turbulence classification, highlighting that laminar flow lacks turbulence.
  • A request is made for simulations or animations that illustrate steady and unsteady laminar flow, along with real-life examples of these flow types.
  • A participant describes laminar flow as smooth and straight, characterized by linear lines of flow in layers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and classifications of flow types, with ongoing questions and clarifications regarding the relationship between laminar, unsteady, and turbulent flows.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions and characteristics of laminar flow in relation to turbulence, as well as the need for visual examples to clarify the concepts discussed.

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I am confuse understanding between unsteady and turbulent flow. If I look the fluid simulation in Youtube, they both look the same. What is the difference between them? Please explain for a beginner.
 
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We can divide fluid flows into several types, in this case based on:
- time dependence:
* steady (stationary) flow - fluid properties at any selected point in a system do not change in time
* unsteady (transient) flow - this one is time-dependent
- turbulence:
* laminar - there are no turbulences
* turbulent - turbulations are present in the system

Turbulent flow is generally always unsteady because turbulence is a time-dependent phenomenon. Such flow can be statistically stationary though.
Laminar flow can be either steady or unsteady.
 
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We can divide fluid flows into several types, in this case based on:
- time dependence:
* steady (stationary) flow - fluid properties at any selected point in a system do not change in time
* unsteady (transient) flow - this one is time-dependent
- turbulence:
* laminar - there are no turbulences
* turbulent - turbulations are present in the system

Turbulent flow is generally always unsteady because turbulence is a time-dependent phenomenon. Such flow can be statistically stationary though.
Laminar flow can be either steady or unsteady.
Why does laminar include in "based on turbulence" when there are no turbulences?

Can you please show me the simulation/animation of steady and unsteady laminar flow? What does in real life the steady and unsteady of laminar flow example is look like?
 
Laminar flow is smooth and straight, depicted as linear lines of flow in layers.
 

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