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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two connected blocks being pulled by a force, with friction acting on both blocks. The participants are exploring the concepts of tension in the rope connecting the blocks and the acceleration of the system, using given values for mass, force, and the coefficient of kinetic friction.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the acceleration and tension in the system, expressing uncertainty about the tension calculation. Some participants suggest using Newton's second law and free body diagrams to analyze the forces acting on each block. Others question the approach to finding the forces of friction for each block.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and suggestions for applying Newton's second law. There is a focus on deriving equations for each mass and discussing the forces involved, including friction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations, but no consensus has been reached on the final values.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem's parameters, including the given masses, applied force, and coefficient of friction. There is an ongoing discussion about the correct application of formulas and the implications of rounding in calculations.

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Two blocks connected by a rope of negligible mass are being dragged by a horizontal force F. F = 68.0N, m1 = 12.0kg, m2 = 18.0kg, and coefficient of kinetic friction between each block and the surface is 0.100. I need the tension of the rope and the acceleration of the system.

[m1]---[m2]--->F

I found the acceleration by subtracting the force of friction for both blocks from the force being applied, then dividing that by the total mass, getting 1.29m/s^2. I'm not sure how to find the tension. I tried a few things, and I'm not getting the correct answer of 27.2N. Any advice on how to go in the right direction?
 
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Start with Newton's second law. F=ma

List all the forces acting upon the object. (A free body diagram will help with this)
 
Thanks for the response. For m1, I have fk1 with a horizontal negative force, T with a horizontal positive force, n1 and m1g opposite and equal. For m2 I have fk2 and T horizontal negative, F horizontal positive, and n2 and m2g opposite and equal. The tension for both of those is equal... and I'm still not sure what to do next. Another hint, please?
 
Apply Newton's 2nd law to each mass separately. You'll get two equations and two unknowns. Solve!
 
For m1, T - fk1 = SigmaF1. SigmaF1 = m1 * a.
T - 11.8N = 12.0kg * 1.29m/s^2, T = 27.28 or 27.3N which is almost right... did I do that correctly and I just rounded too early, or is that just a coincidence?
 
You did it correctly.
 
CactuarEnigma said:
Two blocks connected by a rope of negligible mass are being dragged by a horizontal force F. F = 68.0N, m1 = 12.0kg, m2 = 18.0kg, and coefficient of kinetic friction between each block and the surface is 0.100. I need the tension of the rope and the acceleration of the system.

[m1]---[m2]--->F

I found the acceleration by subtracting the force of friction for both blocks from the force being applied, then dividing that by the total mass, getting 1.29m/s^2. I'm not sure how to find the tension. I tried a few things, and I'm not getting the correct answer of 27.2N. Any advice on how to go in the right direction?

How do you find those forces of friction for each block? I know we have the coefficient, and the total force...
 
2clients said:
How do you find those forces of friction for each block? I know we have the coefficient, and the total force...

He found it by using Fk1 = Uk(mu sub 'k')N with N = mg (but in the opposite direction)
Force of Friction of Block 1 = (.1)(12.0 kg)(9.8 m/s²) = 11.76 N
Force of Friction of Block 2 = (.1)(18.0 kg)(9.8 m/s²) = 17.64 N
 

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