Conservation of Angular Momentum Problem with Rod and Bullet

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The problem involves the conservation of angular momentum in a system consisting of a uniform thin rod and a bullet. The rod can rotate about a vertical axis, and the bullet impacts one end of the rod at an angle. The objective is to determine the bullet's velocity just before impact using the principles of angular momentum and rotational inertia.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of angular momentum and rotational inertia to find the bullet's velocity. Some participants question the correct distance of the bullet from the axis of rotation when calculating the system's inertia.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the setup of the problem, particularly focusing on the rotational inertia calculations. There is recognition of potential errors in the original poster's approach, and some guidance is being offered regarding the correct distance to use for the bullet's contribution to the inertia.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the use of tags in the forum, which may have affected the original poster's ability to format their posts properly. Additionally, the original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their computations after adjusting the inertia formula.

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Alright, this is my first experiment with this forum. Hopefully, I do this right!

Homework Statement


I'm going to give the problem in terms of variables, not the numbers I'm given, so that people can't give me a direct answer.
A uniform thin rod of length (L)m and mass (M_R)kg can rotate in a horizontal plane about a vertical axis through its center. The rod is at rest when a bullet of mass (M_B)kg traveling in the horizontal plane of the rod is fired into one end of the rod. As viewed from above, the direction of the bullet's velocity makes an angle (A) degrees with the rod. If the bullet lodges in the rod and the angular velocity of the rod is (w) radians per second immediately after the collision, what is the magnitude of the bullet's velocity, (V_B)m/s just before impact?
Here's an image that is similar if it helps (with A=60 degrees): http://s3.amazonaws.com/answer-board-image/ec17a0c0-ec15-42e9-879e-d40b70321ef1.jpeg

Homework Equations


Angular Momentum is conserved (Initial L=Final L)
Rotational inertia of a rod about its center: (1/12)MR^2
L=Iw=m(R x V)

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I found the rotational inertia of the entire system: I=(1/12)M_R*L^2+M_B*L^2
Now I know the inertia of the system and can plug into conservation of momentum.

M_B*L*V_B*sin(A)=Iw
...and I can solve for V, which is (Iw)/(M_B*L)=(((1/12)M_R*L^2+M_B*L^2)w)/(M_B*L*sin(A))
When I input this solution into WebAssign, it's incorrect. Can someone pinpoint my error? Thanks in advance!

Also, anyone know about this error on PF? "You specified a tag that was too long. A tag can only be 20 characters." I had to remove all of the fancy tags to get this to post.
 
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DoTell said:
First, I found the rotational inertia of the entire system: I=(1/12)M_R*L^2+M_B*L^2
Now I know the inertia of the system and can plug into conservation of momentum.
If L is the length of the rod, what's the embedded bullet's distance from the axis?

Also, anyone know about this error on PF? "You specified a tag that was too long. A tag can only be 20 characters." I had to remove all of the fancy tags to get this to post.
Not sure what you mean. Were you trying to use Latex?
 
Ah yes, that's a problem! I must use the radius for the bullet part of the total inertia. So the rotational inertia should be (1/12)M_R*L^2+M_B*(L/2)^2
But why is it still the wrong answer? If that's the only error, I must be making a computation mistake.

And about the tag error, I don't know, I just tried making subscripts and superscripts but it gave me that message as an error at the top of the page when I tried to preview it.
 
DoTell said:
Ah yes, that's a problem! I must use the radius for the bullet part of the total inertia. So the rotational inertia should be (1/12)M_R*L^2+M_B*(L/2)^2
But why is it still the wrong answer? If that's the only error, I must be making a computation mistake.
The same issue applies to calculating the angular momentum of the bullet.
 
Thank you very much!
 

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