Conservation of energy/momentum in a pendulum?

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The discussion revolves around a pendulum system involving a bob and a block at rest. The problem includes calculating the speed of the bob before impact, the velocities of both the bob and block after impact, and the maximum rebound angle of the bob post-impact.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of potential and kinetic energy to determine the bob's speed before impact. They also explore the conservation of momentum to find the velocities after impact and raise questions about how to derive the rebound angle.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations for the bob's speed and the velocities of both objects after impact. There is acknowledgment of correct approaches, but questions remain about the rebound angle and the individual velocities of the bob and block.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption of no friction and are navigating the relationships between energy and momentum in the context of the pendulum's motion.

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Homework Statement


http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hsiao-Ling/quiz2211-F10.ppt"

You have a pendulum:
The bob's mass is 200g.
The string length is 1m.
The angle the bob is raised to is 45 degrees.

You also have a block that is at rest at the bottom of the pendulum's swing:
The block's mass is 1kg.
The block is at rest.
No friction.

What is the speed of the bob right before it makes impact with the block?
What is the velocity of the bob and block right after impact?
What is the maximum rebound angle of the bob after impact?



Homework Equations


Total energy of system = U + K
Initial momentum of the system = Final momentum of the system
Total initial energy = total final energy


The Attempt at a Solution


I think I have solved the first question:
By calculating the change in height of the bob, to be .293m, I found the potential energy to be .574 joules. The kinetic energy right before impact should also equal .574, therefore velocity = 2.4 m/s. So right before impact the bob's speed is 2.4 m/s, is this right?

For the second questions:
Initial momentum = final momentum
.48 = .2Vf(bob) + Vf(block)

This is as far as I can get. How can I solve these velocities individually, and how to I go about finding the rebound angle?
 
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I think I may have answered the second part too.

Vf(block)=.8 m/s
Vf(bob)= -1.6 m/s

Does this look right?
 
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mattpd1 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


I think I have solved the first question:
By calculating the change in height of the bob, to be .293m, I found the potential energy to be .574 joules. The kinetic energy right before impact should also equal .574, therefore velocity = 2.4 m/s. So right before impact the bob's speed is 2.4 m/s, is this right?
Yes.
For the second questions:
Initial momentum = final momentum
.48 = .2Vf(bob) + Vf(block)

This is as far as I can get. How can I solve these velocities individually, and how to I go about finding the rebound angle?
Looks like you got the correct velocities below.

For rebound angle, you now have the "reverse" problem from before: when you knew the initial height of the bob, you were able to calculate it's velocity at the bottom of the swing. Now you know it's velocity at the bottom, so how high will it go in its upward swing?
mattpd1 said:
I think I may have answered the second part too.

Vf(block)=.8 m/s
Vf(bob)= -1.6 m/s

Does this look right?
Yes.
 
Got it, thank you much.
 

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