Is the Angular Momentum of a Pendulum Conserved?

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum in the context of a pendulum's motion. Participants explore various aspects of angular momentum, torque, and forces acting on the pendulum as it swings in a vertical plane.

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  • Participants examine whether angular momentum is conserved, the direction of angular momentum at different points in the pendulum's swing, and the effects of forces such as tension and weight on torque. Questions arise about the consistency of angular momentum's direction and the implications of different positions in the swing.

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Statement of the problem :
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A ball shown in the figure is allowed to swing in a vertical plane like a simple pendulum. Answer the following :

(a) Is the angular momentum of the ball conserved?

No, the angular momentum ##L = mvl##, where m is the mass of the ball and v is its speed at an instant. Note, this is an example of (non-uniform) circular motion whereby vector v ##\perp## radius vector r at all instants. Clearly, v changes, reaching its maximum value when ##\theta = 0## and hence the angular momentum L also changes, becoming maximum at the mean position.

(b) Calculate the direction of L at some time. Does it change?
No. The motion takes place in a plane. From the definition of L = r ##\times## p, using either the right hand cork screw rule or taking the convenient mean position of the pendulum to evaluate (r ##\rightarrow - \hat y##, p ##\rightarrow \hat x##, ##-\hat y \times \hat x = \hat z##), we find that the direction of L is along the +z axis, out of the page.

(c) What force acting on the pendulum gives a zero torque about an axis perpendicular to the motion plane and through the point of support?

Tension T. By the definition of torque, ##\tau = r \times F \Rightarrow \tau = l \hat l \times -T \hat l = 0##, where ##\hat l## is the unit vector along the rope out from the point of support.(d) Calculate the torque due to the weight of the ball about this axis at an angle ##\theta##.

From definition, ##\tau = r \times F##. At the angle ##\theta##, the only contributing force to the torque is the "vertical" component of weight, ##mg \sin \theta## (The tension and the "horizontal" component of weight ##mg \cos \theta## both lie along the rope). Hence the magnitude of torque ##\mathbb{\tau = mg \sin \theta l}##. (e) Calculate the magnitude of the rate of change of angular momentum of the pendulum bob at ##\theta##.

If ##L = mvl## [see (a)], then ##\frac {dL} {dt} = m \frac {dv} {dt} l = m g \sin \theta l = mgl \sin \theta##, as the rate of change of v, ##\frac {dv}{dt} = g \sin \theta##, in a direction perpendicular to the rope and along the motion of the bob.



Thank you for you interest.
 

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I do not see a question here.

I would quibble a bit with your response to b. Is the angular momentum always going to be out of the page? Can it ever be into the page instead?
 
The questions are listed from (a) - (e) above, in italics. You will see my responses in normal font.

Hmm, no the angular momentum will be "into" the page when the pendulum swings back from the right extreme position. When it reaches the mean position, we get for the direction of L (r ##\times## p) = ##-\hat y \times -\hat x = -\hat z##, into the page in the direction of the -z axis.

Thank you for the correction.
 
brotherbobby said:
The questions are listed from (a) - (e) above, in italics.
jbriggs meant, what question are you asking the forum? Presumably it was "is this right?"
 
haruspex said:
jbriggs meant, what question are you asking the forum? Presumably it was "is this right?"

Yes, I'd be glad if you could let me know if my solutions were correct. I have figured out that (b) above was not.

Thank you for your interest.
 
brotherbobby said:
Yes, I'd be glad if you could let me know if my solutions were correct. I have figured out that (b) above was not.

Thank you for your interest.
After your correction to that, all looks good.
 

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