Conservation of energy springs.

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The discussion focuses on the conservation of energy in a vertical spring system with attached weights. Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy (KE), gravitational potential energy (PEgrav), and elastic potential energy (PEspring). The consensus is that while PEgrav decreases as PEspring increases, the rates of change differ, leading to a non-linear relationship when summed. The teacher's assertion of a constant total energy value is challenged, emphasizing the need for graphical analysis to understand energy transformations.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of kinetic energy (KE) and its formula, 1/2mv²
  • Knowledge of gravitational potential energy (PEgrav) and its formula, mgh
  • Familiarity with elastic potential energy (PEspring) and its calculation
  • Basic graphing skills to visualize energy changes over time
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  • Research the principles of energy conservation in mechanical systems
  • Learn about energy transformation graphs and their interpretations
  • Explore the mathematical relationships between KE, PEgrav, and PEspring
  • Investigate real-world applications of springs in physics experiments
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Students studying physics, educators teaching energy conservation concepts, and anyone interested in the dynamics of spring systems and energy transformations.

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Hello, I have a question regarding the conservation of energy.

So you have a long spring (the kind that wants to stay closed, as in when you pull on it, it reacts in the opposite direction) situated in a vertical position. You attach the weight to the bottom of the spring, and let it bounce up and down several times.

Now, using distance sensors and what not, you can calculate kinetic, potential (gravitational), and potential (elastic) energy. Would it be correct to assume that when the 3 are added together, a somewhat constant value is achieved?

Well, that's what my teacher claims. I think otherwise because although (potential) gravitational energy decreases when (potential) elastic energy increases, they change at different rates, therefore not resulting in a straight line when added.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
 
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Why do you think the PEspring and PEgrav change at different rates? Think about this question: If an object falls from rest, from a height of h, the object has PE defined by mgh, and KE defined by 1/2mv^2. These also appear to change at different rates... yet you would probably agree that as the PE decreases, the KE increases by the exact same amount. The spring system is, in a way, very similar. Back to the freefall example - try sketching graphs of PE vs. time, and on the same axis, KE vs. time. (As a start, also think about your Vel. vs. time graph for an object in freefall - your KE graph would be the square of the Vel. vs. time)
 

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