Conservation of Energy-Two Blocks Sliding Down an Incline

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The problem involves two blocks of equal mass sliding down inclined planes at different angles (30 degrees and 60 degrees) from the same height. The inquiry focuses on the speeds of the blocks at the bottom of the inclines, considering the effects of friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of energy principle but questions the role of friction in determining the final speeds of the blocks. Some participants suggest that the work done by friction must be considered, while others propose comparing the sliding distances of the blocks.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of friction on the blocks' speeds and discussing the energy equations relevant to the problem. There is an acknowledgment that the original conclusion about equal speeds may not hold true due to frictional effects.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the assumption that both blocks experience the same coefficient of friction, which may influence their final speeds differently based on their respective incline angles.

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Homework Statement


Block 1 and Block 2 have the same mass 'm', and are released from the top of two inclined planes of the same height making 30 degree and 60 degree angles with the horizontal direction, respectively. If the coefficient of friction is the same in both cases, which of the blocks is going faster when it reaches the bottom of its respective incline?

Homework Equations



mgh = 1/2mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the above equation, I found that both blocks would have the same speed once they reached the bottom of the incline. However, block 2 would reach the bottom first due to it's PE being converted into KE faster than block 1. However, my instructor informed me that my answer "Both blocks have the same speed at the bottom" is incorrect and in fact Block 2 is faster at the bottom. Can anyone explain why this is the case? Thanks.
 
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Your energy equation neglected the work done by friction. They would have the same speed if there was no friction. That is not the case here.
 
thank you
 
In case you need a refresher for work and energy equations:

$$T_{1} + U_{1} + \int{Fds} = T_{2} + U_{2}$$

Where ##T## and ##U## are your kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy, respectively.

If the force applied to your object is constant, as is the case with friction, work can simply be defined as force multiplied by the distance over which it is implied.

Using trigonometry, how could you compare the sliding distances of the two blocks, keeping in kind that the heights that the blocks start out at are the same?

I suggest drawing out this scenario with the equivalent forces to help you out.
 

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