Newton's laws--Block sliding up a frictionless semi-circular track

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving Newton's laws, specifically focusing on a block sliding on another block on a frictionless semi-circular track. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the two blocks maintain contact as the smaller block moves along the path.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are questioning whether the horizontal velocities of both blocks must be the same at all points along the semicircular path or only at a specific point (point A). There is a focus on the implications of velocity components and the conditions for maintaining contact between the blocks.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored regarding the relationship between the velocities of the blocks. Some participants have offered insights into the mechanics at play, particularly concerning the role of normal forces and the geometry of the motion. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants continue to clarify their understanding and challenge assumptions.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of constrained motion, with some expressing difficulties in articulating the conditions for contact between the blocks. The conversation includes references to specific points along the semicircular path and the effects of gravity on the smaller block's motion.

  • #31
sachin said:
just want to know if the x velocities are not the same in the curve
They are not, except at point A.

sachin said:
how the bodies dnt loose contact or what velocities are equal for the contact to be maintained
The component of the velocities in the normal direction must be equal to maintain contact

So is everything resolved? If not, what remains? Please be as clear as possible
 
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  • #32
sachin said:
I just want to know if the x velocities are not the same in the curve
It is far from clear. But I think that you are confusing velocity with speed, invoking conservation of momentum, adopting a center of momentum frame and forgetting that the two blocks may have different masses.

If the two blocks have equal masses and start with zero total momentum then conservation of momentum immediately demands that the horizontal component of their velocities are at all times equal and opposite so that their horizontal speeds are at all times equal.
 
  • #33
if the x velocities are different,why does not the small block pierce through and enter inside the bigger block.
 
  • #34
sachin said:
if the x velocities are different,why does not the small block pierce through and enter inside the bigger block.
Because the direction “inside the bigger block” is the normal direction, not the x direction
 
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  • #35
mass on a sled.jpg


W.r.t the ground the velocity of the sled when the mass is at some angle ##\theta## is represented by the green arrow

W.r.t the ground the velocity of the mass on the sled in the horizontal direction is the projection of the red arrow onto the horizontal direction plus the green arrow.

In general, the velocity of the sled in the horizontal direction will not equal the velocity of the mass in the horizontal direction.

It is at point A, when the projection of the red arrow onto the green arrow is ##0##, that the velocity of the sled matches the velocity of the mass.
 
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  • #36
erobz said:
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W.r.t the ground the velocity of the sled when the mass is at some angle ##\theta## is represented by the green arrow

W.r.t the ground the velocity of the mass on the sled in the horizontal direction is the projection of the red arrow onto the horizontal direction plus the green arrow.

In general, the velocity of the sled in the horizontal direction will not equal the velocity of the mass in the horizontal direction.

It is at point A, when the projection of the red arrow onto the green arrow is ##0##, that the velocity of the sled matches the velocity of the mass.
yes,its all true,the red arrow has only horizontal and vertical components,has not got any component along the common normal i.e perpendicular to the red one,for the bodies to be in contact the velocities along the common normal should be the same,how the contact still remains ?
 
  • #37
sachin said:
yes,its all true,the red arrow has only horizontal and vertical components,has not got any component along the common normal i.e perpendicular to the red one,for the bodies to be in contact the velocities along the common normal should be the same,how the contact still remains ?
They are the same. The velocities of both blocks along the common normal is ##0##. The ground is interfering with the sleds ability to translate in the common normal direction. The sled cannot translate in the direction of the orange arrow.

mass on a sled - 3.jpg
 
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  • #38
erobz said:
They are the same. The velocities of both blocks along the common normal is ##0##. The ground is interfering with the sleds ability to translate in the common normal direction. The sled cannot translate in the direction of the orange arrow.
yes,its quite clear now,thanks a lot.
View attachment 312996

erobz said:
They are the same. The velocities of both blocks along the common normal is ##0##. The ground is interfering with the sleds ability to translate in the common normal direction. The sled cannot translate in the direction of the orange arrow.

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yes,its all clear,hope the same relationship holds true for displacement and acceleration also,thanks.
 
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