Conservation Of Energy With Friction

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conservation of energy and the application of D'Alembert's principle in the context of a car being pulled along a horizontal surface with friction. The problem includes parameters such as the mass of the car, the force applied, the distance moved, and the coefficient of friction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of conservation of energy to determine the car's acceleration, while also considering D'Alembert's principle. There are discussions about the distinction between final velocity and acceleration, and the need for kinematic equations to derive acceleration from velocity and distance.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the calculations presented, noting errors and suggesting revisiting certain steps. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of principles and methods, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their understanding of kinematics.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of clarity in their previous instruction regarding the classification of equations as kinematic, which may affect their confidence in applying these concepts correctly. There is also a focus on ensuring that calculations align with the principles being discussed.

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Homework Statement



Hi, I am having trouble with this problem. I'ld be very grateful if anyone could help me :) I've only done it with the conservation of energy way because I am not too sure how to go about it with the D'alembert principle.

A Car with a mass of 100kg is pulled along a horizontal surface by a force of 1000N. The car is initially at rest, and is pulled 25 meters. The co-efficient of friction between the car and road is 0.6.

Determine the acceleration of the car using the principle of conservation of energy and D’alemberts principle.

Car Mass: 100kg
Co-efficient of friction is 0.6
N = (mg) = 100 x 9.81 = 981N
Frictional Resistance (Fr) = μN = 0.6x981 = 588.6N
Distance = 25 meters.

The Attempt at a Solution



Using Conservation of energy:

PE + KE + Win = PE + KE + Wout + Losses
0 + 0 + (F x Distance) = 0 + (1/2 mv^2)+ 0 + (Fr x distance)

(F x Distance) - (Fr x distance) = 1/2 x mv^2

(1000N x 25meters) – (588.6 x 25 meters) = 1/2 x 1000v^2

(1000N x 25meters) – (588.6 x 25 meters) / (1/2 x 1000) = v^2

47.07 = v^2

6.86 m/s = V

Acceleration is 6.86 m/s

Any help would be much appreciated :)
 
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cheese_whizz said:
6.86 m/s = V

Acceleration is 6.86 m/s
V is the final velocity, not the acceleration. You'll have to use some kinematics to get the acceleration from the velocity and the distance. (Or just apply Newton's 2nd law.)
 
hi,

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

I've used this equation before but the lecturer never told me it was kinematics :/

is everything correct now?
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thanks again.
 
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cheese_whizz said:
hi,

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

I've used this equation before but the lecturer never told me it was kinematics :/

is everything correct now?
The kinematic approach is fine, but I see that you made an error in calculating V2 in your first post. Revisit that.
 
hmm, i did make a mistake

:/

Im getting 4.114 as acceleration now which seems correct

M x a = F
100 x 4.114 = 411.4N

Force - resistive force = F
1000N – 588.6 = 411.4N

So i think I got there :)

Would this be correct for the D'alembert principle method?
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Thanks again :)
 
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You got it! :approve:
 
excellent :) Thanks again for all your help
 

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