Conservation of Linear Momentum (spring)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a mass moving horizontally that strikes a spring system, leading to a discussion on the conservation of linear momentum and energy. The goal is to determine the maximum compression of the spring after the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation laws, questioning the assumption that kinetic energy is zero at maximum compression. There are attempts to reformulate the energy equations to include additional kinetic energy terms.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the energy conservation equations and the implications of the center of mass frame. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the center of mass approach, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method to find the maximum compression.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about energy distribution at maximum compression and the definitions of kinetic energy in the context of the system's total mass.

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Homework Statement



A mass 3M moving horizontally with velocity v[itex]_{0}[/itex] on a frictionless surface, strikes head-on and sticks to a horizontal spring system of natural length l and spring constant k with masses M at each end. The spring has negligible mass.

Determine the maximum compression of the spring.

Homework Equations



Conservation of Linear Momentum:
Initial Linear Momentum = Final Linear Momentum
Conservation of Energy:
Initial Kinetic Energy + Initial Elastic Potential Energy = Final Kinetic Energy + Final Elastic Potential Energy

The Attempt at a Solution



3Mv[itex]_{0}[/itex] = (3M + M)Vfinal
Vfinal = [itex]\frac{3}{4}[/itex]v[itex]_{0}[/itex]

At Maximum compression: all the Kinetic Energy would have been converted to Elastic Potential Energy; let x be the maximum compression.

[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex](4M)([itex]\frac{3}{4}[/itex]v[itex]_{0}[/itex])[itex]^{2}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex](k)(x)[itex]^{2}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{9}{8}[/itex]Mv[itex]_{0}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{kx^{2}}{2}[/itex]

x = √([itex]\frac{9Mv_{0}^{2}}{4k}[/itex])

According to the answersheet I was given, the final answer should be x = √([itex]\frac{9Mv_{0}^{2}}{20k}[/itex]) instead.

Would really appreciate it if anyone could help me out. Thanks!
 
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Your assumption that at max compression KE = 0 has no basis. In fact, it is not compatible with conservation of momentum.
 
I see, would it be correct to write

[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex](4M)([itex]\frac{3}{4}[/itex]v[itex]_{0}[/itex])[itex]^{2}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex](k)(x)[itex]^{2}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex](5M)(V1[itex]^{2}[/itex])

If it is then what method should I use to find v1?
 
The latter equation is meaningless, because 5M is the mass of the entire system, but V1, even if it was the velocity of the center of mass, is not the only contribution to kinetic energy.

Perhaps the easiest approach here would to use the center of mass frame. Find its velocity. Find the kinetic energy of the center of mass. Then, the internal energy in the center of mass frame is the original energy minus the center of mass energy. In the center of mass frame, the system undergoes simple harmonic motion, whose energy is known.
 
I think I got it. Thanks!
 

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