Conservation of Linear momentum

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The problem involves a collision between a putty ball and a block on a frictionless surface, focusing on the conservation of linear momentum and the loss of kinetic energy. The original poster seeks to determine the mass of the block given that 25% of the kinetic energy is lost during the collision.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum and question the clarity of the initial and final states in the equations presented. Some express confusion about the relevance of kinetic energy loss to the problem. Others attempt to clarify the correct formulation of momentum conservation.

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The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided equations related to momentum and kinetic energy, while others have suggested that more hints should be offered rather than direct solutions. There is no explicit consensus yet on the best approach to take.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of kinetic energy loss and its relevance to the conservation of momentum in the context of the problem. There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions of initial and final states in the equations provided.

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Homework Statement


A 500g putty ball moving horizontally at 6m/s collides with and sticks to a block lying on a friction-less horizontal surface. If 25% of the kinetic energy is lost, what is the mass of the block?

Homework Equations


initial (i) = final (f)
m1v1+m2v2 = m1v1+m2v2

The Attempt at a Solution



(m1v1i - m1v1f ) /v2f I'm confused :-( Somebody help me solve this. Also is the reduction of the kinetic energy relevant to solving this question?
 
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lisastar said:
initial (i) = final (f)
Ummm, initial what = final what?
m1v1+m2v2 = m1v1+m2v2
The sum of the initial momentum of the putty blob and the final momentum of the block is equal to the sum of the initial momentum of the putty blob and the final momentum of the block? That's not a principle of physics. That's just the reflexive law for equality: A quantity is always equal to itself.

It would be more helpful to equate the sum of the initial momentum of the blob plus the initial momentum of the block to the sum of the final momentum of the blob plus the final momentum of the block.

Can you write down that equality?
 
That's what I wrote up there P (initial) = P (final) sorry it wasn't clear.
 
By conservation of momentum
m₁ u = (m₁+ m₂) v
v/u = m₁ /(m₁+ m₂) EQN 1
Kinetic Energy -->
(1/2)(m₁+ m₂) v ² = (1/2) 0.25 m₁ u² EQN 2
 
Momentum must be conserved. Therefore we can say ##\vec p = m_{ball} \vec v_{ball}## must equal ##\vec p = m_{ball+block} \vec v_{ball+block}##. We also know that kinetic energy in this case is given by ## KE=\frac 1 2 mv^2##. With the given data we can calculate the initial kinetic energy which we can then easily use to calculate the final kinetic energy. Since we also know the momentum as well, we can then solve for mass and velocity of the block by putting one of them in terms of the other, and plugging into the other equation.
 
sunnnystrong said:
By conservation of momentum
m₁ u = (m₁+ m₂) v
v/u = m₁ /(m₁+ m₂) EQN 1
Kinetic Energy -->
(1/2)(m₁+ m₂) v ² = (1/2) 0.25 m₁ u² EQN 2
This is getting a bit close to solving the problem for the student. Please start with hints, like "what do you know about the two final velocities?"
 
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