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Conservation of mechanical energy This is simple but I am puzzledNeed help

  1. Oct 16, 2007 #1
    Hi everyone I am a newbie here. I have a question regarding the change in height when two ball collides. I have draw a picture and uploaded the attachment below.

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    Ball A rolls down a frictionless slope and collide with a stationary Ball B. Both balls move together up again the frictionless slope and achieved a height, h. Note that both balls have equal masses, what is the maximum height attained by the balls after the collision?

    Well, I have tried and I get the height 0.5m as my answer. But, the answer in the book is 0.25m. Below is the solution taken from the book:
    Initial PE = 2(Final PE)
    mg(1) = 2(2m)gh
    h = 0.25m

    Whereas this is my teacher's solution:

    Initial PE = 10m Joules

    Velocity of Ball A just before it collides with Ball B:
    10m = 1/2*m*v^2
    v = 20^0.5
    Then, the velocity is divided by 2 (I don't know why):cry::confused:
    It becomes:
    1/2(2m)(1/2*20^0.50)^2 = 2mgh
    Then he get the answer h= 0.25m

    Well,my solution is :
    Initial PE(Ball A) = Final PE(Ball A and Ball B)
    mgh = (2m)gh
    h = 0.5m

    **I just couldn't understand why the book wrote 2(2m), and so, my teacher, made the velocity halved during his calculation. Can somebody point me out and give me explanation why it is 2(2m) ??

    Thanks much!!

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    Last edited: Oct 16, 2007
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  3. Oct 16, 2007 #2

    Doc Al

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    The book's answer is correct, but the solution isn't very helpful. The first step assumes that you know that energy is cut in half during the collision--but they really should prove that. (It's true though.)

    Because during the collision momentum is conserved, not energy:
    [tex]mv_i = (2m)v_f[/tex]
    [tex]v_f = v_i/2[/tex]

    You assume conservation of energy, which doesn't apply during the collision. Momentum is conserved during the collision, but energy is lost.

    From conservation of momentum we know that the speed is cut in half during the collision. Let's see what happens to the kinetic energy:
    [tex]{KE}_i = 1/2 m v_i^2[/tex]
    [tex]{KE}_f = 1/2 (2m) v_f^2 = 1/2 (2m) (v_i/2)^2 = 1/2 {KE}_i[/tex]

    That's why the book can say that the initial PE is twice the final PE.
  4. Oct 16, 2007 #3
    Okay thanks Doc Al...Your explanation makes sense to me..Thanks lot
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