Conservation of momentum and conservation of mechanical energy

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The discussion centers on the conditions required for applying the conservation of mechanical energy and momentum. Participants explore whether these principles can be universally applied or if specific conditions must be met for their validity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that conservation of mechanical energy applies when there is no external work done on the system, while conservation of momentum applies when there is no external force acting on it.
  • Others express confusion regarding the mathematical expressions presented, indicating that they appear in a code format rather than standard notation.
  • A participant mentions that the conservation of energy and momentum is linked to the invariance of the physical problem under translation in time and position, suggesting that in certain systems, like crystals, momentum may not be fully conserved.
  • There is a discussion about the capitalization of the terms "energy" and "momentum," with some participants indicating it is a stylistic choice to emphasize these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that specific conditions are necessary for applying the conservation laws, but there are competing views on what those conditions entail and how they relate to physical invariance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical expressions and their formatting, which may affect understanding. Additionally, the discussion touches on the nuances of conservation laws in specific contexts, such as in crystalline structures.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of physics who are exploring the principles of conservation laws and their applications in various physical scenarios.

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What are the conditions necessary for applying the conservation of mechanical energy or the conservation of momentum? Can we apply these anywhere or do we require specific conditions which have to be fulfilled for applying them?
 
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$$W_{external}=\triangle E$$

So if there is no external work , the ENERGY is conserved , otherwise the change in energy is equal to the external work.

The same thing has to be with momentum ,

$$F_{external}=\frac{\triangle L}{t}$$

If there is no external force the MOMENTUM is conserved too,.

Hope this answer your question ,,
:)
 
I can't understand the expressions. They appear to be in the code form and not the actual formula types. :|
 
kay said:
I can't understand the expressions. They appear to be in the code form and not the actual formula types. :|
How is that ??! Are you logging in from your smartphone or tablet ?

Any way , the first formulas is

W= [Delta] E

F= ([Delta] L) / ([Delta] T) ,,.
 
Yes. Smartphone.

Thank you so much. :D
 
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Your smartphone may not supporting latex , the language used to write the mathematical and physical expressions and equations ,,

(:
 
Why do you spell energy and momentum in capital letters
 
kay said:
What are the conditions necessary for applying the conservation of mechanical energy or the conservation of momentum? Can we apply these anywhere or do we require specific conditions which have to be fulfilled for applying them?
The conservation of energy and momentum is the consequence of invariance of the physical problem at hand under translation in time and position.
For example in a crystal only discrete translations leave the physics unchanged. As a consequence momentum is not fully conserved.
 
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Why do you spell energy and momentum in capital letters

just to concentrate more on these keywords ,,
 
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my2cts said:
The conservation of energy and momentum is theconsequence of under translation in time and position.

Say which what?
 
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