Conservation of momentum and mass of a ball

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy during an elastic collision between two balls. The original poster presents a scenario where a 0.160 kg ball collides with a second ball at rest, with the second ball moving off at half the speed of the first.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the problem to a pendulum and considers the role of gravity, while others question this assumption and clarify that gravity is not relevant in this horizontal collision context. Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and suggest writing equations for the momenta of both balls before and after the collision.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem using conservation principles. There is a focus on establishing the correct equations for momentum and kinetic energy, but no consensus has been reached on the specific values or methods to solve for the unknowns.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's assumption about gravity may stem from a misunderstanding of the problem's setup, which involves horizontal motion. The discussion highlights the need for clarity regarding the parameters of the collision and the definitions of momentum and kinetic energy.

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Homework Statement


A 0.160 kg ball makes an elastic head-on collision with a second ball initially at rest. The second ball moves off with half the original speed of the first ball.
a) what is the mass of the ball
b) what fraction of the original kinetic energy gets transferred to the second ball.

Homework Equations


p=mv

The Attempt at a Solution


I honestly have no idea how to start this. But I assume that this would be a pendelum. So gravity comes in. Since its asking for the mass of the 2nd ball I was thinking of using the equation above. "p" as 10m/s & of course "m" as 0.160kg. Since it says on the question the 2nd ball moves off with half the original speed of the first ball. I would divide it by 2 then use whatever the V of ball 2 & use the same equation except this time I calculate the mass. Idk what do u guys think? I'll do it right now
 
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Quantum Fizzics said:
But I assume that this would be a pendelum. So gravity comes in.
Assuming the balls are moving horizontally, gravity will not come into play here.
Quantum Fizzics said:
"p" as 10m/s
I'm not sure where you're getting this number and it does not have the correct units for momentum.

Total momentum is conserved in all collisions, so start with that. Using your relevant equation, write down an expression for the momenta of each ball before and after the collision. Since total momentum is conserved, the sum of momenta before the collision equals the sum of momenta after the collision. That gives you one equation, but you will still have too many unknowns to solve for the unknown mass and velocity.

But you are also told this is an elastic collision, so by definition another quantity is also conserved and you can write another conservation equation. Then solve for unknowns.
 
Miles Whitmore said:
Assuming the balls are moving horizontally, gravity will not come into play here.
Gravity doesn't enter into it regardless of direction. The question only concerns events in an arbitrarily short interval of time. The momentum change contributed by gravitational forces is therefore arbitrarily small.
 
haruspex said:
Gravity doesn't enter into it regardless of direction.

Good point
 

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