Conservation of momentum in relativistic disintegration

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The discussion revolves around a problem in relativistic physics concerning the conservation of momentum and energy during the disintegration of a photon into an electron and a positron, with a heavy atomic core involved. The original poster seeks to determine the final momentum of the atomic core.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation laws but encounters a negative value for the momentum of the atomic core, prompting questions about potential errors in their calculations. Other participants express differing equations and seek clarification on the original poster's working.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing alternative calculations and questioning the assumptions made by the original poster. There is a recognition that the sign issue may stem from earlier equations, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or resolution.

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There is mention of difficulties in interpreting the mathematical notation used by the original poster, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. Additionally, the context of relativistic effects and massless particles is relevant to the problem being discussed.

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Homework Statement


Hi everybody, I was studyng a photon disintegrating in one electron and one positron in the presence of a heavy atomic core; I want to find the final momentum of the atomic core

Homework Equations



Conservation of energy: Eγ=2me+Sqrt(Mn2+Pn2)
Conservation of momentum Pγ=Pn
Relation between the energy and momentum of a maseless particle Pγ=Eγ

The Attempt at a Solution


From the conservation of energy: (Eγ-2me)2=Mn2+Pn2; and since Pn=Eγ, operating after developing (Eγ-2me)2, I obtain Pn=4me-(Mn2/me). If I introduce the values in units of atomic mass, I obtain a negative value of Pn, the momentum of the atomic core.
Can anyone please tell me what am I doing wrong?
Thanks.
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Frank Einstein said:
I obtain Pn=4me-(Mn2/me).
I get a different equation. Please post your working.
 
haruspex said:
I get a different equation. Please post your working.
This is what I have calculated:

I start from Eγ=Pn and Eγ=2me+Sqrt[Mn^2+Pn^2]

Eγ-2me=Sqrt[Mn^2+Pn^2]

(Eγ-2me)^2=Mn^2+Pn^2

(Eγ)^2+4(me^2)-4meEγ=Mn^2+Pn^2. Then, (Eγ)^2 on the left and Pn^2 on the right cancel each other.

4me^2-4meEγ=Mn^2

4me^2-Mn^2=4meEγ=4mePn

Pn=(4me^2-Mn^2)/me=4me-(Mn^2)/me
 
Frank Einstein said:
4me^2-Mn^2=4meEγ=4mePn

Pn=(4me^2-Mn^2)/me=4me-(Mn^2)/me
Fine until the last step. However, correcting it will not fix your sign problem, so the error must be much earlier, in one of your initial equations. I am not a nuclear physicist, so cannot comment on those.
 
Frank Einstein said:
Relation between the energy and momentum of a massless particle Pγ=Eγ
To be more correct, in units where c=1 and dealing with massless particles, |P| = E. If you got a negative momentum then you must have had a negative energy. If you have a negative energy then something does not add up.

I am having a horrible time trying to decrypt the ASCII math in the original post without a cheat sheet for the variable names.
 

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