Conservation of momentum when two objects collide

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the conservation of momentum during collisions between two objects, exploring the relationship between kinetic energy, internal motion, and momentum transfer. It includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding linear and angular momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while kinetic energy can be lost to heat during collisions, momentum behaves differently, with no linear momentum lost to internal degrees of freedom.
  • Others argue that the total linear momentum of an object can be expressed as the momentum of its center of mass, suggesting that internal motion does not affect overall momentum conservation.
  • A later reply questions whether increased kinetic energy of atoms post-collision implies an increase in their momentum, indicating a potential misunderstanding of momentum conservation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the total momentum of an object is the sum of the momenta of its constituent particles, regardless of their internal motion around the center of mass.
  • It is noted that if particles are lost during a collision, such as through fragmentation or radiation, they can carry momentum away from the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that linear momentum is conserved in collisions as long as the bulk mass remains intact, but there are competing views regarding the implications of internal kinetic energy and the effects of particle loss on momentum.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of collisions and the definitions of internal versus external momentum may not be fully articulated, leading to potential misunderstandings in the discussion.

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when two objects collide some kinetic energy can be lost to heat, so some of the kinetic energy of the two colliding objects transfers to the individual particles of these objects. Does the same thing happen for momentum?
 
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It's illuminating to consider the center of masses of each of these objects.

For each object:
[itex]KE_{object} = KE_{CM} + KE_{internal}[/itex]

As you say, the total kinetic energy of a pair of objects is conserved in a collision, though energy may be transferred between the center-of-mass degree of freedom, and internal degrees of freedom.

As for as momentum goes, the total linear momentum of an object can be expressed just as the momentum of its center of mass. So no linear momentum is lost to internal degrees of freedom in a collision.

However, angular momentum breaks up into (orbital) angular momentum of the center of mass, and (spin) angular momentum with respect to the center of mass:
[itex]L_{total}=L_{CM} + L_{internal}[/itex]

So in a collision, the total angular momentum is conserved, though some may be transferred to internal angular momentum. The objects could glance off each other, and be spinning as a result.
 
But linear momentum is not lost to internal linear momentum? If the atoms can have more kinetic energy after a collision would that also mean that they have more momentum?
 
The atoms of an object can be moving around the center of mass of the object, but if you add up all those momenta, the parts of the object moving forward plus the parts of the object moving backward ass up to a total momentum that is just the total mass times the velocity of the center of mass.
 
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If some particles are lost in the collision (as fragments or radiation), they can carry some momentum away. But as long as a bulk mass stays intact, the momentum of the bulk mass is just the sum of momenta of its constituent particles.
 

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