Conservation of Net Mechanical Energy in SHM

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of net mechanical energy in the context of simple harmonic motion (SHM), specifically focusing on the simple pendulum's motion described by the equation $$\theta (t) = A\cos ({\omega _0}t)$$. The original poster is attempting to demonstrate that the total mechanical energy, expressed as E = K + U, remains constant over time.

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the energy equation to show that its derivative equals zero, indicating energy conservation. However, they express confusion over their result, which is not zero. Other participants provide derivations and question the assumptions made regarding the energy terms.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing derivations and others questioning the original poster's understanding of energy conservation in this context. There is no explicit consensus yet, as different interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the relationship between velocity and energy terms, as well as the implications of the derivative of energy not being zero. The original poster is preparing for an exam and is under pressure to understand this concept fully.

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I have a question set that I need to be able to answer before my exam next month, I know how to answer all of them except this one. I get the feeling I'm being an idiot.

Show that the simple harmonic motion solution of the simple pendulum in the form $$\theta (t) = A\cos ({\omega _0}t)$$ (constant A) conserves net mechanical energy E = K + U.

I have the equation for E as E = \frac{1}{2}(m{v^2} + mgl{\theta ^2})
I want to show its derivative is equal to 0 obviously. After I substitute in \theta \left( t \right) and differentiate, I get \frac{{dE}}{{dt}} = \frac{{{A^2}mgl{\omega _0}\sin (2{\omega _0}t)}}{2}

Which is not 0... What am I doing wrong?
 
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Habez said:
Which is not 0... What am I doing wrong?
(m.v.v )' is not 0, v changes with time
here is derivation---
te= ke + pe
= (i.w.w/2) + (c.theta.theta/2)
=(i.w0.w0.a.a.(sin(w0.t)^2). 0.5) + (c.a.a.(cos(w0.t)^2)/2) (since w=theta' , so w= -w0.A.sin(w0.t)
=(c.a.a.(sin(w0.t)^2)/2) +(c.a.a.(cos(w0.t)^2)/2) (since w0=(c/i)^0.5 , so c=i.w0.w0)
=ca.a/2 (which is a const)
 
hackhard said:
(m.v.v )' is not 0, v changes with time
here is derivation---
te= ke + pe
= (i.w.w/2) + (c.theta.theta/2)
=(i.w0.w0.a.a.(sin(w0.t)^2). 0.5) + (c.a.a.(cos(w0.t)^2)/2) (since w=theta' , so w= -w0.A.sin(w0.t)
=(c.a.a.(sin(w0.t)^2)/2) +(c.a.a.(cos(w0.t)^2)/2) (since w0=(c/i)^0.5 , so c=i.w0.w0)
=ca.a/2 (which is a const)
I'm sorry, I can't see what you're saying as I am struggling to see what you have wrote. $${{dE} \over {dt}}$$ has to be equal to 0 so that there is no change in the total energy, i.e. energy is conserved - right?
 
I guess in your notation
$$v=\dot{\theta}=-A \omega_0 \sin(\omega_0 t).$$
Plug this into the formula for the energy and remember what's ##\omega_0## in terms of the other parameters in the problem.
 

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