Conservation of strangeness and eigenstates

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of strangeness in the context of neutral kaons and their relationship to the strong interaction. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and experimental observations related to the eigenstates of the strong force and the properties of neutral kaons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assertion that neutral kaons must be in an eigenstate of the strong interaction, citing their own mathematical reasoning involving the strong Hamiltonian and strangeness operator.
  • Another participant suggests that the |K_0> state can be expressed in any basis, implying that the strong interaction's basis is valid and supports the claim of it being a strong state.
  • A different perspective emphasizes that neutral kaons cannot decay via the strong interaction, arguing that this necessitates their classification as eigenstates of the strong interaction.
  • One participant challenges the previous claims, expressing skepticism about the implications of defining |K_0> as a strong state.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of changing the basis of the Hamiltonian to support the notion that |K_0> can be transformed into a strong state through unitary transformations, suggesting that the underlying symmetry does not affect the classification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether neutral kaons must be considered eigenstates of the strong interaction. While some argue in favor of this classification based on decay properties and mathematical formulations, others challenge the necessity of this conclusion, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical relationships and properties of the strong interaction, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of states and the implications of symmetry in the context of the discussion.

Xico Sim
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Hi, guys.

In Povh's book, page 198, he says: "The strong force conserves the strangeness S and so the neutral kaons are in an eigenstate of the strong interaction."

I do not see why this must be the case. My atempt to understand it:

$$ŜĤ_s |K_0 \rangle = Ĥ_sŜ |K_0 \rangle$$
So
$$Ŝ(Ĥ_s |K_0 \rangle) = -Ĥ_s |K_0 \rangle $$

Since the ket ##Ĥ_s |K_0 \rangle## has strangeness -1, it belongs to the eigensubspace of ##Ŝ## with eigenvalue -1. I don't know how one conclude, from this, that
$$ Ĥ_s |K_0 \rangle \, \alpha \, |K_0\rangle $$
which is what I want to prove.
 
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well, abstractly speaking, can't you write |K_0> state in whichever basis you want? and so the strong interactions' basis... the commutation relation you wrote (and I guess you take as given) will hold in any basis of the state |K_0>.
So you can define that the K_0 represents a strong state.
 
A more experimental approach: neutral kaons cannot decay via the strong interaction (they are the lightest neutral particles with a strange quark and ##K^0 \to K^+ \pi^-## is not possible either), so no matter how you write them as state, they have to be an eigenstate of the strong interaction.
 
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ChrisVer said:
So you can define that the K_0 represents a strong state.

"So"? i don't see why...
 
whether you define the x-axis showing to your left hand, or showing to your right, if there is a left/right symmetry it doesn't really matter.

If we suppose that K0 in your case is not a strong state, you can "rotate" it into being in the strong state K0'...
THis happens by diagonalizing the Hamiltonian in the strong basis by H \rightarrow H_{\text{str-diag}}=U H U^\dagger and so will the states: |K_0> \rightarrow U |K_0> which will be your states written in the strong interaction basis.
The thing is that U is a unitary matrix (since it only changes the basis) and you of course get the same thing..
 
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