Conservative force for an elastic force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature of elastic forces and whether they can be classified as conservative forces. Participants explore the definitions, implications, and conditions under which elastic forces operate, including linear and nonlinear elasticity theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how elastic force could be considered a conservative force.
  • Another participant argues that the work done against an elastic force is path-independent, suggesting this characteristic qualifies it as a conservative force.
  • Multiple participants seek clarification on the definition of "elastic force."
  • A participant describes elastic forces in the context of Hook's Law, asserting that forces with a potential energy function are conservative.
  • Another participant introduces nonlinear elasticity theories, such as the Neo-Hookean model, and notes that potential energy in these cases can still be conservative unless frictional dissipation is considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of elastic forces, with some supporting the idea that they are conservative under certain conditions, while others introduce complexities that challenge this classification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of nonlinear elasticity and energy dissipation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the conditions under which elastic forces are considered conservative, particularly in relation to nonlinear elasticity and the effects of friction.

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Hi ,

I wanted to know how elastic force could be a conservative force ?
 
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When something is moved against an elastic force, the work done does not depend on the path taken -- only the start and end point. That makes an elastic force a conservative force.
 
What's an "elastic force"?
 
I see, so it's forces that a linear to some displacement, e.g., a spring in the linear realm, where Hook's Law is valid, i.e., for the elongation in ##x## direction, ##\vec{F}=-k x \vec{e}_x##. Then it's of course conservative since obviously a potential exists, namely
$$V(x)=\frac{k}{2} x^2 \; \Rightarrow \; \vec{F}=-\vec{\nabla} V.$$
Any force that has a potential is conservative, i.e., the energy-conservation law holds true.

Note: The other direction of this statement is not true. E.g., the magnetic force on a charge hasn't any potential (it's even velocity dependent) but still the energy-conservation law holds true!
 
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There are also nonlinear elasticity theories that hold reasonably well even for large deformations (outside linear realm). One of these is the Neo-Hookean model. The potential energy of an elastic object is some function of the displacements of its volume elements from their equilibrium positions, and is conservative unless you take in account the frictional dissipation of energy (viscoelasticity).
 
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