Conservative vector field, potential function

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The problem involves a vector field defined by F(x) = (y+z, x+y, x+z) and requires finding the Jacobian to determine if the field is conservative in a finite region. If it is conservative, the task is to find the potential function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding the potential function after establishing that the vector field is conservative. There are attempts to derive expressions for the potential function and questions about the nature of the functions involved, particularly regarding their dependencies on variables.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and checking each other's reasoning. There is a focus on the relationships between the components of the potential function and the derivatives, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the conditions for the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of ensuring that certain functions depend only on specific variables, which is a point of contention in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A vector field is defined by F(x) = (y+z, x+y, x+z).
Find the Jacobian and determine if the field is conservative in a finite region. If it is conservative, find the potential function.


Homework Equations


F = delta p AKA
F = (upsidedown triangle) p


The Attempt at a Solution


I found the Jacobian and determined that the field is conservative in a finite region. My problem is finding the potential function. So far I got:

dp ---> x(y+z) + C(y,z)
dx

dp ---> 1/2y (2x + y) + C(x,z)
dx

dp ---> 1/2z (2x + z) + C(x,y)
dx

I'm not sure on finding the potential function. From examples I've seen Icn set C(x,z) and C(x,y) to both equal zero, and then make C(y,z) a constant (using only y and z) to make dp/dx equal the other ones. But do they have to be exactly equal to each other? I'm wondering if anyone would give me some help with finding this potential function, please. Any help is greatly appreciated! :!)
 
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Well, it seems like one way to do it would be to pick a point to set as zero, and then integrate the work done by the force as a particle is moved to an arbitrary location. If the force is conservative, the path taken is arbitrary.
 
Your first step is good. So p=x(y+z)+C(y,z). Now set dp/dy=x+y. What can you conclude about dC(y,z)/dy?
 
Hi there guys! Sorry I didn't respond and thank you in a while; I went on a bit of a vacation!

So thank you Dick, for the hint. I think I got it, but I want to double check with you when what I've done... Here goes.

p(x,y,z) = x(y+z) + c1(y,z) = xy + 1/2y^2 + c2(x,z) = xz + 1/2z^2 + c3(x,y)

p = x(y+z) + c1(y,z)

dp/dy = x + y

(x + y) = y + c1(y,z)

So therefore c1(y,z) = x.

But I'm unsure if I can do this because I thought c1(y,z) had to be a function with only y and z, no x. I'll double check some things, but in the mean time, give it some thought please!

Thank you! :D :D :D
 
Wait.

I had meant that c1(y,z) = xy.

What should I do to confirm this?
 
You aren't thinking very clearly here. p=x(y+z)+C(y,z). So dp/dx=y+z. Now I want dp/dy=x+y. From the above I compute dp/dy=x+dC(y,z)/dy. What must dC(y,z)/dy be??
 

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