Consider the following group in presentation form

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The discussion centers on the group presentation , which represents a commutative group that can be identified with \mathbb{Z}/2\times \mathbb{Z}. The alternative presentation also describes a two-generator abelian group, but emphasizes that one generator is its own inverse. The confusion arises from interpreting the relations, which are formal and do not imply associative properties beyond those defined. The conclusion clarifies that both presentations are valid but highlight different aspects of the group structure.

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Something's bugging me. Consider the following group in presentation form:

[tex]<a,b|aba^{-1}b^{-1}=e,a^2=e>[/tex]

Ok, this is the presentation of a group with 2 generators that is commutative and "shrinks" any even power of one the generators to the identity. This sounds like an appropriate presentation of [itex]\mathbb{Z}/2\times \mathbb{Z}[/itex].

But the presentation can also be written in another way:

[tex]<a,b|aba^{-1}b^{-1}=e,a^2=e>=<a,b|ab=ba,a=a^{-1}>[/tex]

Now this does not resembles [itex]\mathbb{Z}/2\times \mathbb{Z}[/itex]! It says that [itex]<a,b|ab=ba,a=a^{-1}>[/itex] is a 2 generator abelian group that associates one of its generator with its inverse. Maybe I'm just tired but how does this apply to [itex]\mathbb{Z}/2\times \mathbb{Z}[/itex]??
 
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a=a^-1 is precisely the same as saying a^2=e. What's the problem?

the relations do not 'associate' things. They are formal relations that a and b (in this case) satisfy (and are the only such, except for those that can be deduced from them).
 
I see it now. I was just tired. :approve:
 

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