Considering volume of atom , what radius

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of atomic volume and the appropriate radius to consider when estimating it. Participants explore different types of radii, including covalent radius, Van der Waals radius, and atomic radius, and the implications of these choices for calculations and estimations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether to use covalent radius, Van der Waals radius, or atomic radius for estimating atomic volume.
  • One participant argues that atoms do not have a strict radius or volume, suggesting that the choice of radius depends on the intended application.
  • Another participant proposes averaging the different radii as a method to estimate atomic volume, which is challenged by others who argue that there is no "right" way to determine atomic volume.
  • Some participants note that the radii mentioned are not strictly defined and may vary based on context.
  • A participant suggests using the Bohr radius for certain calculations.
  • A link to an external article is provided for further reference on atomic radius values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to define or calculate atomic volume, with multiple competing views on the appropriate radius to use and the nature of atomic volume itself.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions and contexts of the various radii discussed, as well as the assumptions underlying their use in calculations.

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do you consider Covalent radius, Van der Waals radius or atomic radius?
 
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Atoms don't have a strict radius or volume. Technically each atom extends through the whole universe. Now what do you use when you need an estimate for a volume? The choice is up to you, what works best depends on what you want to use the volume for.

Note also that the quantities you cite (covalent radius, vdW radius etc) are also not strictly defined.
 
oh ok, so do you think the right way to find the volume of the atom is to find the average of the covalent radius, vdw radius and atomic radius?
 
Karimspencer said:
oh ok, so do you think the right way to find the volume of the atom is to find the average of the covalent radius, vdw radius and atomic radius?
I said nothing even remotely suggesting this. There is no "right" way to "find" the volume of an atom, because it does not have one. Even if there was a right way, just averaging random unrelated quantities without any reason to so would most certainly not be it.
 
Oh ok...
 
Perhaps this article will help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_radius
There is a chart at the bottom with the calculated radius of each element. I don't know what they based their calculations off of, but I'm sure you could either use those values or look at the references for more information.
 
I'd just use the Bohr radius depending on the calculation.
 
Thanks Drakkith , this chart helps a lot for my research...
 

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