Consonants in English: Pronunciation Differences

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The discussion revolves around the pronunciation of consonants in English, particularly in comparison to monosyllabic languages like Vietnamese. Participants explore concepts such as consonant length, airflow during pronunciation, and the distinction between grammatical and lexical words.

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  • Some participants propose that consonants in English are pronounced longer and more gently than in monosyllabic languages, while others challenge this by stating that modern English phonetics does not classify consonants by length.
  • A participant mentions that the term "grammatical words" refers to words that indicate grammatical relationships and suggests that these words are often spoken less distinctly, potentially leading to shorter consonant sounds.
  • There is a discussion about airflow during the pronunciation of consonants, with one participant questioning whether there is airflow when transitioning from vowels to consonants.
  • Some participants note that "long" and "short" in English primarily refer to vowel sounds rather than the duration of the sounds, contrasting this with other languages that have true long and short sounds.
  • Links to articles and resources about Old English pronunciation, acoustic charts, and vocal cord function are shared to provide additional context and information.

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Participants express differing views on the classification of consonants and the concept of length in pronunciation. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of consonant pronunciation in English.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions of terms like "grammatical words" and the implications of airflow during consonant production. There are also references to the differences in vowel sound classification between English and other languages, indicating a need for clarity on these points.

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In English, consonants are pronounced longer and more gentle than that in monosylable word language(example:Vietnamese).Except in grammatical words in English the consonants pronounced relative short.

Is that right?

I notice that English vowels are short compare with that in monosylable word languages
 
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In modern English phonetics, there is no "length" of consonants. They are classified only with respect to the place and way of articulation.
 
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I've heard the different vowel sounds described as "short" and "Long". The Long sounds sounded like the name of the letter, so "Abraham" has a long A at the beginning, and the others are short. This has nothing to do with the time devoted to vocalizing each sound - I don't think English uses thaaaaaaat.
 
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fxdung said:
Except in grammatical words in English the consonants pronounced relative short.
I don't remember ever seeing the term "grammatical words", so I Googled it. Do you mean as in the following quote?

https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110810105017258

Words for which the primary function is to indicate grammatical relationships, as distinct from lexical words, the primary function of which is referential (content words). Grammatical words include articles, pronouns, and conjunctions. Lexical words include nouns, verbs, and adjectives.

I suppose grammatical words also include prepositions (e.g. in, on, of).

My impression is that in English, such words are usually spoken without emphasis and are often indistinct or less distinct than other words. This could include, or at least be interpreted as, making the consonants shorter. This is purely a matter of speech patterns, and has no grammatical or lexical significance as far as I know.
 
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I mean grammatical words as you say in #5
 
During the time tongue moves from the first position to the taget(final) position to make consonant, is there air flow through the mouth or not?Eg I hear the word "at" as "a"+very short silent+"stop t+slight air flow".There is a very very short silency between vowel a and consonant t(it seem to me).
 
While this doesn't explicitly talk about airflow, it does show acoustic charts of pronunciation:

https://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/PT.3.3523

and here's an article on how the vocal cords work:

https://ecampusontario.pressbooks.pub/essentialsoflinguistics/chapter/2-2-how-humans-produce-speech/

and finally, this one where they get into airflow a bit:

https://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/speech.html

As an aside, I learned today that its "vocal cords" for American English and not "vocal chords" even though in music we say "chords" for groupings of notes.
 
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jedishrfu said:
While researching the question, I also discovered some singer vocal ranges. Mariah Carey takes home the prize for largest vocal register of 5 octaves where at the highest notes, some dogs can't hear them.

https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/singer-vocal-ranges/

Now back to the OP's question.
TIL:thumbup:
 
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Voiceless consonants have frequency being infinity or zero?
 
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In English "long" and "short" indicate different vowel sounds. It has nothing to do with the length of time the vowel sounds. I believe that other languages have truly short and long sounds. Like the O in Osaka is long. But I'm not certain of that.
 

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