Constant speed of light in vaccum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of light near a black hole, particularly focusing on the implications of the constant speed of light in vacuum and how it interacts with the gravitational field of a black hole. Participants explore theoretical aspects related to the speed of light as it approaches the event horizon, including concepts of coordinate speed versus physical speed and the nature of trapped surfaces.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the state of light at a distance from a black hole where it cannot escape or succumb to gravity, expressing confusion about its speed in that region.
  • Another participant explains that as light approaches the event horizon of a black hole, its coordinate speed approaches zero, while an observer falling through the event horizon would measure the physical speed of the light as the standard speed of light.
  • A different participant reiterates that the speed of light does not change, attributing the behavior of light near a black hole to the warping of space-time, which causes light rays to converge at a point known as a trapped surface.
  • One participant suggests that the original poster may be inquiring about the phenomenon of light being infinitely redshifted to zero as it attempts to escape a black hole.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of light's behavior near a black hole, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of its speed or the nature of trapped surfaces.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of coordinate and physical speeds, as well as the effects of space-time curvature near black holes, which may not be fully resolved or defined by all participants.

violetS
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Just find something very interesting..

If the speed of light is constant, at some distance from the black hole where light can neither escape the attraction of the black hole, nor succumb to its gravitation, what state is the light in? does it have a speed there?

...confused..
 
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As radially infalling light approaches the event horizon of a spherical black hole, the (Schwarzschild) coordinate speed of the light approaches zero. However, an observer who happens to be falling through the event horizon will, at the event horizon, measure the physical speed of the infalling light to be the standard speed of light.

Coordinate speeds and physical speeds are often different.
 
got it

haha thanks a lot:wink:
 
violetS said:
Just find something very interesting..

If the speed of light is constant, at some distance from the black hole where light can neither escape the attraction of the black hole, nor succumb to its gravitation, what state is the light in? does it have a speed there?

...confused..
The speed of light does not change.
What happens is when light approaches the black hole the warping of space-time causes the incoming light rays to converge to a point. In other words they cannot escape anymore, there is no longer a geodesic, they all have to go to that point.
The region were a return is no longer possible is called a trapped surface.
 
Isn't the OP simply asking about escaping light being infinitely redshifted to zero?
 

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