Construct a System with Zero Power Consumption: An Electromagnetic Idea

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of constructing a system that operates with zero power consumption, specifically through an electromagnetic setup involving a rail route and a dome-shaped copper structure. The conversation touches on concepts of energy generation, conservation, and the implications of kinetic energy in such a system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a system where a train on a rail route generates electricity as it moves through a dome of copper strips, suggesting that this could lead to energy conservation.
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of this idea, arguing that any electricity generated would come at the expense of the train's kinetic energy, leading to a loss of speed.
  • A third participant asserts that the proposal resembles a perpetual motion machine, which is deemed impossible according to the laws of physics.
  • Discussion of the topic is noted to be against forum rules, as it is considered unproductive.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the viability of the proposed system, with some asserting that it cannot work due to fundamental physical principles. There is no consensus on the feasibility of the idea, and the discussion is ultimately deemed inappropriate for the forum.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of energy conservation and the implications of kinetic energy in the proposed system. The concept of perpetual motion is explicitly stated as not permissible within the forum's guidelines.

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Individuals interested in electromagnetism, energy conservation concepts, and the principles governing perpetual motion discussions may find this exchange relevant.

Abhijeet
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I am talking about electromagnetism..
Can we construct a system with no power consumption..
I ve an idea...
1 we can construct rail route surrounded by dome shaped copper (actually cu strips to avoid eddy current)
2 rail on which permanent magnet is fixed will allowed to move on this route..(initially application of electricity to start the train)When it will move thru dome will generate electricity again and will be conserved...
 
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Abhijeet said:
Can we construct a system with no power consumption..
Of course! But with no power output.

1 we can construct rail route surrounded by dome shaped copper (actually cu strips to avoid eddy current)
2 rail on which permanent magnet is fixed will allowed to move on this route..(initially application of electricity to start the train)


When it will move thru dome will generate electricity again and will be conserved...

When the train moves, why do you think electricity will be produced? You Yourself assumed copper 'strips' to avoid the eddy currents.

The answer: This will not work because even if electricity were produced, it is being produced at the expense of the train's kinetic energy, so the train will slow down.
And when you supply that generated electricity, you find that the train accelerates only to again lose speed, as it loses energy to the electricity producing copper dome.
 
You are proposing a form of perpetual motion machine which is not a possibility.
Also, the topic is not permitted on PF - it would waste far too much time and get us nowhere.
 
Thanks. For ur reply..
 
Perpetual motion and free energy discussions are not allowed as per PF rules. Thread locked.
 

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