Constructing a Division Ring of Quaternions over K: Conditions and Solutions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for constructing a division ring of quaternions over a field K. Participants explore the theoretical framework and requirements for such a construction, including the implications of certain properties of K.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to solve the problem and asks for conditions that K must fulfill to construct a division ring of quaternions.
  • Another participant suggests that -1 should not be a square in K as a potential condition.
  • A different participant argues that the status of -1 as a square is not important, stating that quaternions can be viewed as a degree 2 extension over the complex numbers and questions the understanding of the original question.
  • Another participant elaborates on the quaternion structure, noting that they are a 4-dimensional extension of the reals and discusses the necessary properties of the field F from which quaternions are derived, including the need for certain elements to define multiplication and inverses.
  • This participant also highlights the requirement that the sum of the squares of coefficients in the quaternion must not be zero, suggesting that this necessitates that the field does not admit a square root of -1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of -1 being a square in K, and there is no consensus on the necessary conditions for K to construct a division ring of quaternions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the field K and the definitions of terms like "pruned" and "division ring" remain unclear, which may affect the discussion's clarity.

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I don´t know how to solve it. Thanks beforehand

What condition has to fulfill a field [tex]K[/tex] so that we pruned to construct a ring of division of quaternions over [tex]K[/tex]?
 
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probably -1 should not be a square in K.
 
The quartions are a degree 2 (non abelian) extension over the complex numbers:

H=C[j] with the rule ij=-ji

So, whether -1 is or is not a square is not important.

I can't say I understand the question at all. The only thing you need, surely, is for k to be a subfield of the quaternions. Is the extension supposed to be finite? What does pruned mean?
 
well they are also a 4 dimensional extension of the reals generated by 1 and 3 square roots of -1, so i thought maybe he was trying to describe which property of the reals was needed?

so if we just follow hamilton, we start from a field F and introduce 3 new elements i,j,k such that i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = -1, and set ij=k, jk=i. ki =j. ji=-k, kj=-i, ik=-j.

then extend this linearly as a definition of multiplication on the vector space F^4 with vector basis 1,i,j,k. the question becomes i guess whether this is division ring or not? so i would look at the formula for the inverse of an element and see if it makes sense, or needs some assumptions on F?

e.g. when defining the inverse of a complex number you need to divide by the sum of the squares of the coefficients, i.e. the ionverse of a+bi has denominator a^2 + b^2. so with a quaternion you seem to need that if 4 elements of your field are not all zero, then the sum of their squares is not zero. this requires e.g. that the field not admit a square root of -1.
 
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