Continuity and Differentiability of f:R->R

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The discussion revolves around the continuity and differentiability of a function \( f: \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} \) under specific conditions involving a positive real number \( \lambda \). The original poster presents a problem that includes proving differentiability at zero for different values of \( \lambda \) and explores the implications of the function's behavior under scaling.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the setup of limits in the context of differentiability and question how to apply the epsilon-delta definition. There is confusion regarding the notation used in the problem statement, particularly concerning exponentiation and its implications for the function's behavior.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify the function's definition and its implications for differentiability. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of limits, but there remains uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the function's properties and notation.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the function's definition, particularly the use of exponentiation. Participants are also grappling with the implications of the continuity condition and how it relates to differentiability at zero.

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Homework Statement


Mod note: Edited the function definition below to reflect the OP's intent.
Suppose f:R->R is continuous. Let λ be a positive real number, and assume that for every x in R and a>0,f(ax)=aλ f(x). (a) If λ > 1 show that f is differentiable at 0. (b) If 0 < λ < 1 show that f is not differentiable at 0. (c) If λ=1, show that f is differentiable at 0 if and only if it is linear. (Hint: what is f(0)?)

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I am considering start the question with f(x)-f(0)/x but how can i find the limit when x approaches 0? f(x)=f(1*x)=1^λf(x) f(0)=f(0*x)=0^λf(x)=0, then is f(x)-f(0)/x = f(x)/x? Then how can i know it's differentiable at 0?
 
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You must set up a limit, epsilon delta style
 
bubsir said:
You must set up a limit, epsilon delta style
how can i use epsilon delta to prove differentiability?
 
silvetriver said:

Homework Statement



Suppose f:R->R is continuous. Let λ be a positive real number, and assume that for every x in R and a>0,f(ax)=aλ f(x). (a) If λ > 1 show that f is differentiable at 0. (b) If 0 < λ < 1 show that f is not differentiable at 0. (c) If λ=1, show that f is differentiable at 0 if and only if it is linear. (Hint: what is f(0)?)

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I am considering start the question with f(x)-f(0)/x
You are missing parentheses. What you wrote is ##f(x) - \frac{f(0)}{x}##. I'm pretty sure you meant ##\frac{f(x) - f(0)}{x}##. If you don't use LaTeX like I did, you need to write it as (f(x) - f(0))/x.
silvetriver said:
but how can i find the limit when x approaches 0? f(x)=f(1*x)=1^λf(x) f(0)=f(0*x)=0^λf(x)=0, then is f(x)-f(0)/x = f(x)/x? Then how can i know it's differentiable at 0?
What does ^ mean here? It is often used to indicate exponentiation, as in 2^3 = 8.
Are you using it to indicate "and"?
 
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Mark44 said:
You are missing parentheses. What you wrote is ##f(x) - \frac{f(0)}{x}##. I'm pretty sure you meant ##\frac{f(x) - f(0)}{x}##. If you don't use LaTeX like I did, you need to write it as (f(x) - f(0))/x.
What does ^ mean here? It is often used to indicate exponentiation, as in 2^3 = 8.
Are you using it to indicate "and"?
You are right that's what i mean. yea ^ means exponentiation...
 
"how can i use epsilon delta to prove differentiability?"

Use the definition of the derivative.
 
silvetriver said:
You are right that's what i mean. yea ^ means exponentiation...
Then I'm really confused now. Where does this come from?
f(x)=f(1*x)=1^λf(x) f(0)=f(0*x)=0^λf(x)=0
I don't see anything in the problem statement about exponents.

In any case, the above is very ambiguous. For example you have 1^λf(x), which I take to mean ##1^{\lambda}f(x)##, according to the normal rules for the order of operations. I don't know why you would have ##1^{\lambda}##, which equals 1, or ##0^{\lambda}##, which equals 0, as you have elsewhere.
 
Mark44 said:
Then I'm really confused now. Where does this come from?

I don't see anything in the problem statement about exponents.

In any case, the above is very ambiguous. For example you have 1^λf(x), which I take to mean ##1^{\lambda}f(x)##, according to the normal rules for the order of operations. I don't know why you would have ##1^{\lambda}##, which equals 1, or ##0^{\lambda}##, which equals 0, as you have elsewhere.
oh sorry i mistyped the problem. it should be f(ax)=a^lambda f(x) I think 1^lambda=1 because the problem states that lambda>1
 
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' of course the a in this definition is not the constant in the definition of f(x)
 
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silvetriver said:
oh sorry i mistyped the problem. it should be f(ax)=a^lambda f(x) I think 1^lambda=1 because the problem states that lambda>1
Is it safe to interpret the above as ##f(ax) = a^{\lambda}f(x)##?
 
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Mark44 said:
Is it safe to interpret the above as ##f(ax) = a^{\lambda}f(x)##?
yessss i just realize that f(0)=f(a*0)=a^lambda f(0), well then i totally get lost...
 
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bubsir said:
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' of course the a in this definition is not the constant in the definition of f(x)
yea that's what i think to start with but i can't find f(x) and f(0)
 
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bubsir said:
You must set up a limit, epsilon delta style
The OP has to set up a limit, but I don't believe that a delta-epsilon argument is necessary.
 
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silvetriver said:
what i think
The nice thing about the definition of derivative AND f(x) is that you only need to find the difference, not the actual function.
 

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