Continuity of composition of continuous functions

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The discussion revolves around the continuity of the composition of continuous functions, specifically examining the function ##\log |x|## and its continuity at various points. Participants explore the implications of theorems regarding continuous functions and their domains.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the composition of continuous functions is continuous, referencing the functions ##\log x## and ##|x|## as examples.
  • There is a question raised about the continuity of ##\log |x|##, with some participants suggesting it is not continuous due to a vertical asymptote at 0.
  • One participant challenges the application of the continuity theorem, noting that ##\log(x)## is not defined at ##x = 0##, implying that false assumptions lead to incorrect conclusions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of carefully tracing the domains of the functions involved in the composition, providing a formal statement of the theorem regarding continuity.
  • There is a suggestion to specify the theorem more carefully and consider the definitions related to the inverse image of open/closed sets.
  • A later reply highlights the necessity of a complete and precise statement of the theorem, urging participants to identify problematic points in their specific case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the continuity of ##\log |x|##, with some asserting it is not continuous while others question the assumptions leading to that conclusion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the continuity of the function.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of defining the domains of the functions involved, as well as the conditions under which the continuity theorem applies. There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific points at which continuity may fail.

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I've learned that composition of continuous functions is continuous. ##\log x## and ##|x|## are continuous functions, but it seems that ##\log |x|## is not continuous. Is this the case?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
I've learned that composition of continuous functions is continuous. ##\log x## and ##|x|## are continuous functions, but it seems that ##\log |x|## is not continuous. Is this the case?

Why is ##\log|x|## not continuous?
 
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Why is ##\log|x|## not continuous?
Because of the vertical asymptote at 0?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Because of the vertical asymptote at 0?

But how can you apply the theorem you just stated if ##\log(x)## isn't even defined at ##x = 0##? If you start with false assumptions, surely you will get wrong results.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
I've learned that composition of continuous functions is continuous
In this theorem you must also trace carefully domains of the functions. The exact formulation is as follows. Let ##X,Y,Z## be topological spaces and ##f:X\to Y,\quad g:Y\to Z## be continuous functions. Then the function ##g\circ f:X\to Z## is a continuous function.
In your case ##f(x)=|x|,\quad g(y)=\log y,\quad X=\mathbb{R}\backslash\{0\},\quad Y=\{y\in\mathbb{R}\mid y>0\},\quad Z=\mathbb{R}##
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
I've learned that composition of continuous functions is continuous. ##\log x## and ##|x|## are continuous functions, but it seems that ##\log |x|## is not continuous. Is this the case?

But remember that the composition may not even be defined at some points, let alone be continuous. Try specifying the theorem a bit more carefully, as Zwierz , I think, suggested. EDIT: You may want to consider the inverse image of open/closed set is open/closed definition as well.
 
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as suggested above, it is crucial to have a complete and precise statement of a theorem, including hypotheses. in your case the theorem says roughly, if f is continuous at the point p, and if also g is continuous at (and defined on a neighborhood of) the point f(p), then gof is (defined on a neighborhood of and) continuous at the point p. try to see what the points p and f(p) are in your case that give a problem, if any.
 

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