Continuous function on R at certain values of a

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The discussion revolves around the continuity of the derivative of a specific function defined piecewise, particularly focusing on the values of the parameter \( a \) that affect this continuity. The function is given as \( f(x) = |x|^a \sin(1/x) \) for \( x \neq 0 \) and \( f(0) = 0 \). Participants explore the implications of differentiability and continuity at \( x = 0 \) and engage in related topics such as integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the continuity of the derivative \( F \) at \( x = 0 \) depends on the value of \( a \), suggesting that for \( a > 1 \), the limit as \( x \) approaches 0 is 0, while for \( a \le 1 \), the limit does not exist.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of integration to the problem, emphasizing that the focus should be on the derivative rather than the integral.
  • A different participant clarifies that \( F \) is continuous for all \( x \) other than 0, thus the main concern is the behavior at \( x = 0 \).
  • There is a request for clarification on why \( f(x) \) is not differentiable at \( x = 0 \) for any value of \( a \), with a belief expressed that the limit does not exist for any \( a \), though proof is sought.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of integration to the problem and the conditions under which the derivative is continuous at \( x = 0 \). There is no consensus on the differentiability of \( f(x) \) at \( x = 0 \ for all values of \( a \), as the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants discuss the implications of the limit of the derivative as \( x \) approaches 0, but there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the behavior of the function at this point and how it relates to the parameter \( a \).

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If we suppose [tex]a[/tex] > 0 is some constant and f: R [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] R is


f(x) = [tex]|x|^a[/tex] sin(1/x) if x [tex]\neq[/tex] 0

and

f(x) =0 if x=0

if we let F(x) := f '(x) for x [tex]\neq[/tex] 0 and F(0) :=0. For what values of
[tex]a[/tex] is F a continuous function in R
 
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Did you try actually integrating f(x) ?
 
Amok said:
Did you try actually integrating f(x) ?

Doesn't Riemann integration assume continuity?
 
mjpam said:
Doesn't Riemann integration assume continuity?

Definitely not. For instance, the integral of a step function is certainly defined. Lebesgue also proved that a function is Riemann integrable if and only if its set of discontinuities has measure zero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_integral), so for instance a countable number of discontinuities is acceptable.
 
Why are you talking about integrating? The problem asked about the derivative of that function. F is clearly continuous for all x other than 0 so the only question is the derivative at x= 0.

For x> 0,
[tex]\frax{f(x)- f(0)}{x}= \frac{x^a sin(1/x)}{x}= x^{a-1}sin(1/x)[/tex]
and, for any a> 1, the limit, as x goes to 0, is 0. If [itex]a\le 1[/itex] the limit does not exist.

For x< 0 we can replace x with the positive number y= -x and, since sine is an odd function we have
[tex]\frac{f(x)- f(0)}{x}= \frac{-y^a sin(1/y)}{-y}= y^{a- 1}sin(1/y)[/tex]
and have the same result as before.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Why are you talking about integrating? The problem asked about the derivative of that function. F is clearly continuous for all x other than 0 so the only question is the derivative at x= 0.

For x> 0,
[tex]\frax{f(x)- f(0)}{x}= \frac{x^a sin(1/x)}{x}= x^{a-1}sin(1/x)[/tex]
and, for any a> 1, the limit, as x goes to 0, is 0. If [itex]a\le 1[/itex] the limit does not exist.

For x< 0 we can replace x with the positive number y= -x and, since sine is an odd function we have
[tex]\frac{f(x)- f(0)}{x}= \frac{-y^a sin(1/y)}{-y}= y^{a- 1}sin(1/y)[/tex]
and have the same result as before.

Hey thanks, could you explain why at x=0 f(x) is not differentiable for any value of a?
I think it is because the limit does not exist, for any a, but I don't know how to prove it.
 

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