Continuous uniform distribution - expected values

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The discussion revolves around the expected values related to the continuous uniform distribution, specifically in the context of calculating the expected length of a square given its area is uniformly distributed over a specific interval. Participants explore the differences between two methods of calculating expected values and the implications of these methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the expected length of a square cannot simply be the square root of the expected area, E(A).
  • Another participant suggests that if the length were uniformly distributed, it would not necessarily lead to a uniformly distributed area, prompting further exploration of the relationship between length and area.
  • A participant provides a discrete example to illustrate the difference between expected values of length and area, highlighting that the expected area does not equal the square of the expected length.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of the question posed, noting that the two methods yield similar results in this specific case due to the narrow interval of the uniform distribution.
  • One participant introduces a generality regarding the expected value of a function of a random variable, emphasizing that this relationship holds for linear functions but not necessarily for non-linear functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of using E(A) to find E(L) and whether the methods should yield the same results. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of the question or the methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the similarity in results for this specific problem may be misleading due to the small interval of the uniform distribution, which could affect the generalizability of the findings.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in statistics and probability, particularly those interested in the nuances of expected values and their calculations in continuous distributions.

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If the area of a square is uniformly distributed over an interval, why is the expected value of the length different to the square root of the expected value of the square's area?
Hello,
I am currently stumped over a question that has to do with the continuous uniform distribution. The question was taken from a stats exam, and while I understand the solution given in the mark scheme, I don't understand why my way of thinking doesn't work.

The problem is:
The sides of a square are of length L cm and its area is A cm^2. Given that A is uniformly distributed on the interval [15, 20], find E(L).

The mark scheme solution uses integration [ by writing L = A^(1/2) ] so that E(L) = ∫(a^(1/2)) x (1/5)da between 15 and 20. I appreciate that this is making use of the fact that E[g(x)] = ∫g(x)f(x) dx for a CRV.

On the other hand, why can't we simply find E(A) and take its square root? If we expect the area to be E(A), is the length when it has this area not equal to the expected length?

If somebody could clarify this I would be very grateful for your help.

PS it just so happens in this case that both methods give you the same answer, but I know that my way is wrong and the mark scheme won't allow it.
 
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Summary: If the area of a square is uniformly distributed over an interval, why is the expected value of the length different to the square root of the expected value of the square's area?

Hello,
I am currently stumped over a question that has to do with the continuous uniform distribution. The question was taken from a stats exam, and while I understand the solution given in the mark scheme, I don't understand why my way of thinking doesn't work.

The problem is:
The sides of a square are of length L cm and its area is A cm^2. Given that A is uniformly distributed on the interval [15, 20], find E(L).

The mark scheme solution uses integration [ by writing L = A^(1/2) ] so that E(L) = ∫(a^(1/2)) x (1/5)da between 15 and 20. I appreciate that this is making use of the fact that E[g(x)] = ∫g(x)f(x) dx for a CRV.

On the other hand, why can't we simply find E(A) and take its square root? If we expect the area to be E(A), is the length when it has this area not equal to the expected length?

If somebody could clarify this I would be very grateful for your help.

PS it just so happens in this case that both methods give you the same answer, but I know that my way is wrong and the mark scheme won't allow it.

You could look at it the other way round. Suppose the length was uniformly distributed, would that give a uniformly distributed area?

To simplify things you could further consider a simple discrete case.

If the length is ##1, 2## or ##3## with equal probability, then the expected length is ##2##.

But, the area is ##1, 4## or ##9## with equal probability, giving an expected area of ##14/3##.
 
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PS it just so happens in this case that both methods give you the same answer, but I know that my way is wrong and the mark scheme won't allow it.

PS You may approximately get the same answer in this case , but it shouldn't be the same. From that point of view it's a poor question, as the two answers are nearly the same. This is because it's a relatively small interval relative to the starting point.
 
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On the other hand, why can't we simply find E(A) and take its square root? If we expect the area to be E(A), is the length when it has this area not equal to the expected length?

It may help your intuition to state it as a generality.

If ##X## is a random variable with expected value ##\mu_X## and ##Y = f(X)## is a function of ##X## then your intuition is that the expected value of ##Y## should be ##f(\mu_X)##.

This works when ##f## is a linear function of ##X##. On the the other hand consider the example of income tax where there are various "brackets" instead of a flat rate. Is the average tax paid by a citizen equal to the tax paid by a citizen who has the average income?
 

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