Undergrad Convention of order of operations

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The discussion centers on the significance of the PEMDAS order of operations in mathematics and its potential impact if a different convention were adopted. It explores how changing the interpretation of expressions like 1 + 2 * 3 could lead to confusion, akin to driving on the opposite side of the road. While the current convention is deemed convenient, the conversation suggests that fundamental changes in mathematics would only arise if new conventions made certain expressions awkward or impossible to write. The mention of reverse Polish notation highlights alternative mathematical notations that have not gained widespread acceptance. Ultimately, the PEMDAS convention remains a crucial aspect of mathematical clarity and consistency.
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To what extent is the PEMDAS order of operations convention, and to what extent is this convention significant? For example, how would math change if we stipulated that ##1+2*3 = 3*3 = 9##? Would it be the same or would it be completely different?
 
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You'd have to write things differently; e.g. 1 + (2*3) = 1 + 6 = 7. I tend to think the present convention is convenient but I could well be biased. I can't see any fundamental changes happening if we switched to a different convention: important changes would only occur if some expressions became impossible or very awkward to write--or suddenly much easier--and I can't think of any that would be.

Of course, if we did switch, it would be like suddenly having to drive on the other side of the road and reading mathematics written before the change would be like reading a foreign language.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
To what extent is the PEMDAS order of operations convention, and to what extent is this convention significant? For example, how would math change if we stipulated that ##1+2*3 = 3*3 = 9##? Would it be the same or would it be completely different?
If you want to have a look what happened last time we discussed this ...
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/biggest-science-or-math-pet-peeve.885541/
(I don't remember where exactly in this thread PEDMAS started, but once it did, you barely couldn't get rid of it.)
 
Change to reverse Polish notation!

((1+2)*3 ⇒ 1⊥2+3*, 1 + (2*3) ⇒1⊥2⊥3*+) (the ⊥ sign is just used to indicate "enter")
 
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Cute. (But several decades after it was introduced on calculators, RPN doesn't seem to have really caught on for some reason.)
 
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