Undergrad Convention of order of operations

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The discussion centers on the significance of the PEMDAS order of operations in mathematics and its implications if altered. Participants explore hypothetical scenarios where mathematical expressions are redefined, such as changing the interpretation of 1 + 2 * 3 to equal 9. The consensus suggests that while the current PEMDAS convention is convenient, a shift to a different order would not fundamentally change mathematical principles but would complicate expression writing. Additionally, the conversation touches on the challenges of adopting reverse Polish notation (RPN) as an alternative.

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  • Understanding of PEMDAS (Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication and Division, Addition and Subtraction)
  • Familiarity with mathematical expressions and their evaluations
  • Basic knowledge of reverse Polish notation (RPN)
  • Concept of mathematical conventions and their historical context
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  • Research the historical development and significance of the PEMDAS convention in mathematics
  • Explore the principles and applications of reverse Polish notation (RPN)
  • Investigate alternative mathematical conventions and their impact on expression clarity
  • Examine case studies of mathematical notation changes and their effects on education and communication
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Mathematicians, educators, students, and anyone interested in the foundations of mathematical notation and its implications for teaching and learning.

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To what extent is the PEMDAS order of operations convention, and to what extent is this convention significant? For example, how would math change if we stipulated that ##1+2*3 = 3*3 = 9##? Would it be the same or would it be completely different?
 
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You'd have to write things differently; e.g. 1 + (2*3) = 1 + 6 = 7. I tend to think the present convention is convenient but I could well be biased. I can't see any fundamental changes happening if we switched to a different convention: important changes would only occur if some expressions became impossible or very awkward to write--or suddenly much easier--and I can't think of any that would be.

Of course, if we did switch, it would be like suddenly having to drive on the other side of the road and reading mathematics written before the change would be like reading a foreign language.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
To what extent is the PEMDAS order of operations convention, and to what extent is this convention significant? For example, how would math change if we stipulated that ##1+2*3 = 3*3 = 9##? Would it be the same or would it be completely different?
If you want to have a look what happened last time we discussed this ...
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/biggest-science-or-math-pet-peeve.885541/
(I don't remember where exactly in this thread PEDMAS started, but once it did, you barely couldn't get rid of it.)
 
Change to reverse Polish notation!

((1+2)*3 ⇒ 1⊥2+3*, 1 + (2*3) ⇒1⊥2⊥3*+) (the ⊥ sign is just used to indicate "enter")
 
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Cute. (But several decades after it was introduced on calculators, RPN doesn't seem to have really caught on for some reason.)
 

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