B Further Understanding Simultaneity Conventions

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The discussion centers on the complexities of simultaneity conventions in the context of spacetime and relativity. A simultaneity convention defines how events are grouped as occurring "at the same time," requiring that events within each group are spacelike separated. The conversation highlights the role of observers in defining simultaneity, emphasizing that different observers may perceive different simultaneity conventions. Participants debate the validity of various conventions, with some being deemed "valid" or "invalid" based on their adherence to established requirements, such as maintaining causality. The need for clear definitions and criteria for evaluating simultaneity conventions remains a key concern in the discussion.
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Freixas said:
In the earlier thread linked in the OP, he notes that not all physicists restrict themselves to conventions that forbid timelike (or lightlike) conventions.
You can, of course, use coordinate systems that do not have spacelike coordinate planes. Lightcone coordinates have been mentioned by at least two of us. But you would not call any of their coordinate planes "planes of simultaneity". (Not deliberately anyway - people have been known to make mistakes.)

As I said above, a simultaneity condition implies a coordinate system, or at least part of one. But a coordinate system does not necessarily imply a simultaneity condition.
 
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Histspec said:
Light-cone coordinates happen to be identical to the asymptotic coordinates of a hyperbola, with the corresponding squeeze mappings (=Lorentz transformations) being essentially known for thousands of years (Apollonius of Perga, ca. 200 BC).
Yes, and this makes the "hyperbolic" motion such a difficult issue concerning the question "does a hyperbolically moving charged particle radiate" ;-)).