Convergence and Growth Rate of Lp Norms

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The discussion revolves around the convergence and growth rate of Lp norms for Lebesgue measurable functions on the interval (0,1). Participants explore whether it is possible to find a function f that meets specific growth conditions relative to another function g, particularly when g approaches infinity as p increases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem from a textbook, questioning if for every function g that diverges to infinity, there exists a Lebesgue measurable function f such that the Lp norm of f diverges while remaining less than g for sufficiently large p.
  • Another participant suggests that it is possible to construct such a function f by introducing a weak singularity, citing \(\frac{1}{\log(x)}\) as an example that grows slower than g.
  • A different participant proposes a potential function involving logarithmic terms, indicating progress in their understanding of the problem.
  • One participant emphasizes that rather than finding a specific function, the focus should be on the general principle that allows for the existence of functions whose Lp norms grow slower than g, regardless of the complexity of g.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of constructing a specific function versus understanding the general principle of growth rates in relation to g. There is no consensus on whether a specific function can be identified that meets the criteria outlined in the initial post.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the problem may involve complex behaviors of functions and norms, and the exploration of specific examples may not yield definitive answers. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the existence of functions that satisfy the proposed conditions.

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This is problem 3.9 (from second edition of daddy rudin). (This isn't homework).

Suppose f is Lebesgue measurable on (0,1), and f is not essentially bounded.

Is it true that for every function g on (0,\infty) such that
g(p) \rightarrow \infty as p \rightarrow \infty

one can find an f such that
\|f\|_{p} \rightarrow \infty as p \rightarrow \infty with\|f\|_{p} < g(p) for all sufficiently large p?

Any hints are appreciated.

I know that given any function f, the set of p for which \|f\|_{p} < \infty can be any connected subset of (0,\infty).

Hence, given any r with 1 < r < \infty, we can find a fuction such that the \|f\|_{p} &lt; \infty if p < r but that the norm is infinite for p >= r.

But say we choose g(p)=p. The above mechanism fails to find a suitable f, since we can only choose some r finite, then g(p) < \|f\|_{p} for all p > r.

On the other hand, I don't know how to prove that such a function f can't exist. But every function I can think of that meets the above criteria always has a finite inflection point where the norm goes infinite.

So I'm stumped.
 
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I think this should be true. You just need to make f have a singularity that is really 'weak'. For example, you could have the function look like \frac{1}{\log(x)}. That one is in L^p for all large p but the L_p norm is growing as a function of p. Of course this isn't a full solution to the problem but it should give you some idea of what's going on.. I hope it helps.
 
I think I'm getting closer. The hint was actually in a different problem.

I think the function i need is like:

\log(\frac{1}\sqrt(x))

I'll keep plugging away.
 
Well, you won't get a specific function. The idea is that given any g that specifies an asymptotic growth condition, you can find a function whose L^p norms grow even slower than g. You really don't need to construct an explicit one (it might be extremely hard if g is really complicated).
 

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