Convergence in L^2 Norm: Understanding Subsequence Implications

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The discussion revolves around the implications of convergence in the L^2 norm for a sequence of square-integrable functions and their subsequences. Participants explore the relationship between pointwise convergence and convergence in the L^2 norm, particularly focusing on whether convergence of the product of a variable and a function implies convergence of the product of the variable and a subsequence of that function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the claim that if a sequence of functions converges in L^2 norm, then the same subsequence must also converge for the product of the variable and the function.
  • Another participant notes that convergence in L^2 implies convergence almost everywhere for a set of measure zero, suggesting that subsequences of convergent sequences also converge to the same limit.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how to derive the desired conclusion regarding the convergence of the product from the initial statements about the functions.
  • Some participants acknowledge a misunderstanding regarding the distinction between L^2 convergence and almost everywhere convergence.
  • One participant asserts that if both sequences converge in L^2, it implies that the functions must be equal almost everywhere, which would support the argument.
  • Another participant clarifies that the convergence of the product of the variable and the function is the focus, not the function alone.
  • A later reply suggests that since the product converges in L^2, the subsequence must also converge almost everywhere, reinforcing the argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of convergence in L^2 and whether the same subsequence can be used for both functions and their products. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations of the implications of convergence.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for additional context to fully understand the implications of the convergence statements, indicating that assumptions about the nature of the sequences and their convergence may not be fully articulated.

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Suppose there exists a sequence [itex]f_n[/itex] of square-integrable functions on [itex]\mathbb R[/itex] such that [itex]f_n(x) \to f(x)[/itex] in the L^2-norm with [itex]x \ f_n(x) \to g(x)[/itex], also in the L^2-norm. We know from basic measure theory that there's a subsequence [itex]f_{n_k}[/itex] with [itex]f_{n_k}(x) \to f(x)[/itex] for a.e. x. But my professor seems to be claiming that this somehow implies [itex]x \ f_{n_k}(x) \to g(x)[/itex] for a.e. x. I don't see why this is. Obviously, we know that [itex]x \ f_{m_k} \to g[/itex] a.e. for SOME subsequence of [itex]f_n[/itex]...but how do we know it works for the SAME subsequence? Can someone offer some guidance? Thanks!
 
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If I understand you correctly, there's a set E such that ##\mu(E)=0## and ##xf_n(x)\to g(x)## for all x in ##E^c##. This means that for all ##x\in E^c##, ##\langle xf_n(x)\rangle_{n=1}^\infty## is a convergent sequence in ##\mathbb R##, and as you know (or can easily prove), every subsequence of a convergent sequence in ##\mathbb R## converges to the limit of the sequence.
 
Fredrik said:
If I understand you correctly, there's a set E such that ##\mu(E)=0## and ##xf_n(x)\to g(x)## for all x in ##E^c##. This means that for all ##x\in E^c##, ##\langle xf_n(x)\rangle_{n=1}^\infty## is a convergent sequence in ##\mathbb R##, and as you know (or can easily prove), every subsequence of a convergent sequence in ##\mathbb R## converges to the limit of the sequence.

Well, if we have [itex]f_{n_k}(x) \to f(x)[/itex] off of a set [itex]E\subset \mathbb R[/itex] with [itex]\mu(E) = 0[/itex], then [itex]|f_{n_k}(x) - f(x)| \to 0[/itex] as [itex]k\to \infty[/itex] whenever [itex]x\notin E[/itex]. But I want to somehow show that this implies the existence of a [itex]E'\subset \mathbb R[/itex] (which may or may not be the same as [itex]E[/itex]) with [itex]\mu(E') = 0[/itex] such that [itex]|x \ f_{n_k}(x) - g(x)| \to 0[/itex] as [itex]k\to \infty[/itex] whenever [itex]x\notin E'[/itex]. How in the world is one supposed to get from the first statement to the one we want to prove, if the only other thing you know is that [itex]\| x \ f_n(x) - g(x) \|_{L^2(\mathbb R)} \to 0[/itex] as [itex]n\to \infty[/itex]?

I hope that clarifies my question a bit!
 
OK, I wasn't paying enough attention to when you were using the L^2-norm and when you were just talking about convergence almost everywhere. I will think about it.
 
Isn't it obvious that if [itex]f_n[/itex] converges both to f and g in [itex]L^2[/itex] that then f=g a.e.?? That would imply it.
 
Hehe, after my last post yesterday, I realized that I was much too tired to do any math. I decided to give it another shot "tomorrow", i.e. today, in the unlikely event that micromass wouldn't already have posted the solution. I should have realized that there was no chance that he wouldn't already have done that. :smile:
 
Haha. Next time I'll let you finish it up!
 
But it's xf_n(x) that's converging to g, and not f_n.

Something does seem fishy about the argument in the OP. Maybe we need more context?
 
Oh, I see. I misread there.

Anyway. If [itex]xf_n(x)\rightarrow g[/itex] in [itex]L^2[/itex], then the [itex]xf_{n_k}\rightarrow g[/itex] in [itex]L^2[/itex]. Thus there is a subsequence [itex]xf_{n_{k_l}}[/itex] that converges to g a.e.

Evidently, the sequence [itex]xf_{n_k}(x)[/itex] converges a.e. (to xf(x)). And since a subsequence converges to g, it means that the sequence [itex]xf_{n_k}(x)[/itex] converges to g a.e.

Did I do something stupid?
 
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That works!
 
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micromass said:
Haha. Next time I'll let you finish it up!
Oh, don't worry about that. I don't mind at all. I would probably need 7 hours to do what you can do in 7 minutes anyway. :smile:
 

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