Convergent/divergent with natural log

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the convergence or divergence of the series defined by the natural logarithm of a fraction involving polynomial expressions. Participants explore various methods to analyze the series, including the application of l'Hopital's rule and properties of logarithms.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using l'Hopital's rule to find the limit of the series as n approaches infinity, proposing that the limit equals 1/2, which would indicate divergence.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative approach using l'Hopital's rule on the logarithm itself, suggesting that this could simplify the problem and lead to a limit of 2, also indicating divergence.
  • A different participant argues that l'Hopital's rule is unnecessary and that the limit can be found by dividing the numerator and denominator by n^2, concluding that the limit leads to ln(1/2), which is not equal to 0, thus indicating divergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and application of l'Hopital's rule, with some advocating for its use while others believe it is not required. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the method of analysis, and there are varying interpretations of the influence of the natural logarithm on the convergence of the series. The discussion includes assumptions about the continuity of the logarithm and the behavior of the series at infinity.

Who May Find This Useful

Students preparing for mathematics tests, particularly those focusing on series convergence and divergence, as well as individuals interested in the application of calculus techniques such as l'Hopital's rule and properties of logarithms.

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Preparing for the math test, and cannot understand what to do for one of my practice problems:

I need to find if the series is convergent or divergent, using test for divergence (divergent if limit doesn't equal 0)

sigma from 1 to infinity of ln((n^2+1)/(2n^2+1))

I see that I should use l'Hopital rule, and show that as n goes to infinity, the limit will equal to 1/2 (and series is diverges), but the ln (ie, natural log) gives me a doubt about my answer...

Also, i figured that I can use one of the natural log properties and rewrite as sigma ln(n^2+1) - sigma ln(2n^2+1), but still i have no idea what to do with ln...

help! what kind of influence does the natural log have on this problem??
 
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Another idea is that to do a l'Hopital rule on ln((n^2+1)/(2n^2+1)), which will flip my fraction, getting rid of natural log, and do l'Hopital rule 2 times more, and that will make my limit equals to 2, and show that the series is divergent...

Is my logic solid, or does it have a hole somewhere?
 
There's no need for l'Hopital. It's easy to show that (n^2+1)/(2n^2+1) goes to 1/2 as n goes to infinity - just divide the numerator and denomonator by n^2. Since ln is continuous, the sequence converges to ln(1/2) =/= 0 so the series diverges.
 
thank you very much
 

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