Convergent Subsequences and the Limit of a Series

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a sequence and its subsequences, specifically addressing the conditions under which a sequence converges to a limit based on its convergent subsequences. The original poster presents a statement regarding the relationship between a sequence and its non-trivial convergent subsequences.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how to prove that if every non-trivial convergent subsequence converges to a limit, then the original sequence must also converge to that limit. Some participants question the meaning of "non-trivial" and explore the implications of subsequences having different limits.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the definition of non-trivial subsequences and their relevance to the problem. There is an exploration of the implications of having multiple convergent subsequences with different limits, indicating a productive line of questioning.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of convergence in sequences and subsequences, with specific attention to the term "non-trivial." There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider all non-trivial convergent subsequences in the analysis.

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Homework Statement



Consider the sequence [tex]\left\{ x_{n} \right\}[/tex].

Then [tex]x_{n}[/tex] is convergent and [tex]\lim x_{n}=a[/tex] if and only if, for every non-trivial convergent subsequence, [tex]x_{n_{i}}[/tex], of [tex]x_{n}[/tex], [tex]\lim x_{n_{i}}=a[/tex].

Homework Equations


The definition of the limit of a series:
[tex]\lim {x_{n}} = a \Leftrightarrow[/tex] for every [tex]\epsilon > 0[/tex], there exists [tex]N \in \mathbb{N}[/tex] such that for every [tex]n>N[/tex], [tex]\left| x_{n} - a \right| < \epsilon[/tex].

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, so I easily see how to show that it [tex]\lim {x_{n}} = a[/tex], then every convergent subsequence must also converge to [tex]a[/tex].
But I'm stuck on how to show the other way.
 
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I would say, well isn't a_n a subsequence of itself? But you also said 'non-trivial'. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but can't you split a_n into two 'non-trivial' subsequences, which then converge, but when put together make all of a_n?
 
Yeah, I asked my prof about this one. To him, apparently "non-trivial" just means that the subsequence is not equal to the original sequence. I don't think it actually has any bearing on the problem.

The trick, he said, is that you have to consider every non-trivial (convergent) subsequence.

I'm not sure I know what that means.
 
Ok, then suppose a_n has two convergent subsequences with different limits. Then does a_n have a limit?
 

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