Convert J/mol k into atm cm^3/mol k

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The discussion revolves around converting the ideal gas constant from units of J/(mol·K) to atm·cm³/(mol·K). Participants are exploring the relationships between different units of energy, pressure, and volume in the context of the ideal gas law.

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  • Participants discuss methods for unit conversion, including the use of conversion factors and dimensional analysis. Questions arise regarding how to express Joules in terms of pressure and volume, and how to properly cancel units during the conversion process.

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Some participants have provided guidance on expressing units in terms of basic dimensions, while others are attempting to reconcile their calculations with the expected results. There is an ongoing exploration of potential errors in unit conversion and algebraic manipulation.

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Participants note specific conversion factors and the importance of correctly identifying the relationships between units, such as the definition of Pascal and the conversion from cubic meters to cubic centimeters. There is acknowledgment of previous misunderstandings regarding unit definitions.

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Homework Statement
Convert the ideal gas constant to atm cm^3/ mol k
Relevant Equations
1 J = Nm
1 atm = 101325 Pa
1 m^3 = 1 x 10^6 cm^3
My lecturer asked us to convert the ideal gas law into the units "atm cm^3/ mol k"
I've used conversion brackets before and I am comfortable converting things like mile/gallon to km/litre but I don't understand how to do this one.
The way I was taught was to put the units in brackets and take the numerical calculation out to the front. Then find the conversion and place them in the brackets such that they cancel with the original units and leave behind the new units you were after.

i.e. For 3 feet into inches: 3 x [ft x 12 inch/ 1 ft], the ft's cancel and you do 3 x 12 = 36 inches

But for converting J / mol k to atm / mol k I am not sure what to do. I know these are the conversion factors:

1 J = Nm
1 atm = 101325 Pa
Pa = N/m^2
1 m^3 = 1 x 10^6 cm^3

But I am trying to reconcile how Joules can be expressed in terms of pressure x volume. I know I need to find an expression for Joules which I can place on the bottom of the fraction in order to cancel it. I think its the idea of the volume part of the calculation which I can't get my head around. I don't know how to express force x distance, force x area and pressure x volume.

(8.314) x [ (J / mol k) x (atm / 101325 Pa) x (cm^3 / m^-3) ]

(8.314) x [ (Nm / mol k) x (atm / 101325 Nm^-2) x (cm^3 / m^-3) ]

How can I express this so I can cancel? Whats the best way to write this?
 
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Start from the well known value ##R = 8.31~\mathrm{\frac{J}{mol\cdot K}}##. It looks like you need to convert 1 J into some number times ##\mathrm{atm \cdot cm^3}## because the two are dimensionally the same. Express all units in terms of the basic kilograms, meters and seconds. For example, 1 Newton = 1 kg m/s2.
 
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kuruman said:
Start from the well known value ##R = 8.31~\mathrm{\frac{J}{mol\cdot K}}##. It looks like you need to convert 1 J into some number times ##\mathrm{atm \cdot cm^3}## because the two are dimensionally the same. Express all units in terms of the basic kilograms, meters and seconds. For example, 1 Newton = 1 kg m/s2.

Thank you for the reply, so I tried expressing Joules and pascal in terms of their basic units and I am still getting the wrong units. I know the answer is around 82 but i don't know why my units are still wrong. Is it my algebra? I can't see what's wrong
 

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Two mistakes
First: 1 Pa = 1 N/m2 not 1 kg/m2. You need to convert the Newton unit into kg - m - s units.
Second: Where does the extra factor ##\mathrm{\frac{10^{-6}cm^3}{m^3}}## come from? Just convert all meters into centimeters after canceling like terms in the numerator and denominator.
 
Ok thanks for your help, I think I may have figured it out. Please check my working below
 

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That looks about right. :oldsmile:
 
kuruman said:
That looks about right. :oldsmile:
Thank you so much
 

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