Mean Free Path of Air Molecules

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the mean free path of air molecules, utilizing the mean free path equation and the relationship between the Boltzmann constant and the ideal gas constant. Participants are exploring the implications of unit conversions and the appropriate constants to use in their calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the mean free path equation, questioning the use of the Boltzmann constant and the ideal gas constant in different units. There is also a focus on unit conversions, particularly regarding pressure and volume.

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Some participants have provided guidance on unit conversions and the correct form of constants to use. There is an acknowledgment of differing results from online sources, and participants are actively clarifying their calculations and assumptions.

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There is mention of a lack of an answer in the textbook for the specific question, which has led to uncertainty in the calculations. Participants are also grappling with the implications of using different units for pressure and volume in their equations.

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Calculate the mean free path of air molecules at ##3.5\cdot 10^{-13}atm## and 300K. Model the air molecules as spheres of radius ##2.0\cdot 10^{-10}m##
Relevant Equations
$$\lambda =\frac{k_{b}T}{4\pi \sqrt{2}r^2p}$$
I used the form of the mean free path equation taking advantage of the fact that the Boltzmann constant is equal to the ideal gas constant R divided by Avogadro's number, because I didn't know if I could use the Boltzmann constant in the ##1.381\cdot 10^{-23}J/(molecules\cdot K)## form:

$$\lambda =\frac{RT}{4\pi \sqrt{2}r^2pN_{A}}=\frac{(008206(L\cdot atm)/(mol\cdot K))(300K)}{4\pi \sqrt{2}(2.0\cdot 10^{-10}m)^2(3.5\cdot 10^{-13}atm)(6.022\cdot 10^{23}mol^{-1})}=164308154.9m$$

There is no answer written in the back of the book for this particular question and when I looked the question up online I'm getting answers far from mine. I would have thought we would have to use the R constant with the units ##\frac{L\cdot atm}{mol\cdot K}##.
 
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10^-13 atm. A better vacuum than I've ever used, even in vacuum tubes. A long free path is reasonable.
 
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Note that overall your units reduce to L/m2. Did you convert L to m3? Also, you wrote the value of R as 008206 L⋅atm/(mol⋅K). Is there a decimal point somewhere?
 
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TSny said:
Note that overall your units reduce to L/m2. Did you convert L to m3? Also, you wrote the value of R as 008206 L⋅atm. Is there a decimal point somewhere?
That was supposed to be 0.08206, I just forgot the decimal point only in the LaTeX.
I don’t understand which R value I should use if I have pressure in atm. Should I convert the pressure to pascals?
 
cwill53 said:
That was supposed to be 0.08206, I just forgot the decimal point only in the LaTeX.
I don’t understand which R value I should use if I have pressure in atm. Should I convert the pressure to pascals?
Your calculation is fine except that it gives the answer in units of L/m2. You just need to reduce this to meters.
 
TSny said:
Your calculation is fine except that it gives the answer in units of L/m2. You just need to reduce this to meters.
I see. After converting units I got the correct answer of 164308 meters. I guess I got lazy and assumed that plug in chug would yield an answer in the correct units. Thanks.
 
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