Converting Geometrized Units: The Role of G and c in Christoffel Symbols

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The discussion focuses on the conversion of Christoffel symbols from geometrized units to non-geometrized units, exploring the placement of constants G (gravitational constant) and c (speed of light) in the conversion process. It involves technical reasoning regarding the dimensional analysis of the symbols and their implications in different coordinate systems.

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  • One participant inquires about a consistent method for converting Christoffel symbols from geometrized to non-geometrized units, questioning the placement of G's and c's.
  • Another participant mentions that their approach, which involves changing m's to mG/(c^2)'s and t's to ct's, often works but does not guarantee correctness in all cases.
  • A participant notes that Christoffel symbols have dimension L-1 based on the geodesic equation and suggests specific multiplications for terms involving the metric components to revert to non-geometrized units.
  • A follow-up question raises a concern about the dimensionality of a specific Christoffel symbol in plane polar coordinates, which appears inconsistent with the previously stated dimension L-1.
  • Another participant clarifies that the dimension of the Christoffel symbols can vary depending on the coordinate system, providing an example from the Schwarzschild metric.
  • One participant proposes a general rule for the dimensions of the Christoffel symbols based on the dimensions of the indices involved, which is acknowledged as easy to remember.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of Christoffel symbols in various coordinate systems, indicating that there is no consensus on a single method for conversion applicable in all cases.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in their approaches, noting that the dimensionality of Christoffel symbols can depend on the specific coordinate system used, and that assumptions about dimensionality may not hold universally.

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I am looking at some Christoffel symbols that are expressed using geometrized units, and the only variables to appear are m,r and theta. If I want to convert these to non-geometrized units, how do I know where to place the G's and c's?

Is there a consistent way of doing this sort of thing? Do I simply change the m's to mG/(c^2)'s and the t's to ct's? I understand that if I know in advance the dimensionalities that I am looking for then it is not a problem, but that is not always the case.
 
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I don't know of any way to do that correctly in all cases. I usually just take exactly the approach you mentioned, and it often works.
 
You can see from the geodesic equation that the Christoffel symbols have dimension L-1, if that helps. It also follows from the definition of the CS's. To get back to non-geometrical units you should multiply terms containing g00 by c2, and terms like g0k by c ( k = 1,2,3, time is x0). You have the correct substitution for m.
 
Thank you both.

Now I have a quick follow-up: If the Christoffel symbols have dimension L-1 (which is what I thought) then what about the case of

[tex]\Gamma ^{r} _{\theta \theta} = -r[/tex]

in plane polar coordinates? That doesn't look like L-1. There is an analogous counterexample in spherical coordinates, too.
 
Yes, it is only L-1 for the Cartesian coords. However, you can easily work out the dimensions by looking at the definition, and the metric. For the Schwarzschild metric

[tex]\Gamma ^{r} _{\theta \theta} = 2m - r[/tex] which clearly has dimension L, which it must in order that

[tex]\frac{d^2r}{d\lambda^2}[/tex] has the same dimensions as

[tex]\Gamma ^{r} _{\theta \theta}\left(\frac{d\theta}{d\lambda}\right)^2[/tex]

Sorry for my hasty first post, it looks like you can read off the dimensions of the connections from the geodesic equation.
 
It looks like the dimensions of [tex]\Gamma ^{a}_{bc}[/tex] always = [tex]\frac {(dimensions\ of\ a)}{(dimensions\ of\ b)(dimensions\ of\ c)}[/tex].

Well that's easy to remember. Thanks again, Mentz.
 

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