Convexity/concavity and the function, Z = x²+y²

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The discussion revolves around the function Z = x² + y², specifically addressing its continuity, whether it is increasing or decreasing, and determining its concavity or convexity using a defined inequality. The scope includes theoretical aspects and homework-related inquiries.

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  • One participant asks whether the function Z = x² + y² is continuous and how to determine if it is increasing or decreasing.
  • Another participant questions the validity of discussing a function as "increasing" in two dimensions, noting the lack of a natural order in R².
  • A participant expresses confusion about applying the definition of increasing functions to a two-variable context and seeks clarification on how to approach the problem.
  • There is mention of the "sum of concave function theorem" and its implications for determining the concavity or convexity of the function, but uncertainty remains about how to apply this to the specific function in question.

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Participants do not reach consensus on the interpretation of the function's properties, particularly regarding its increasing nature in multiple dimensions and the application of concavity/convexity definitions. There is a mix of confusion and differing viewpoints on how to approach the problem.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and properties of continuous functions, as well as the application of mathematical theorems related to concavity and convexity in a two-variable context.

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very urgent!

consider the function, Z = x²+y²

i need to say i) whether this is continuous

ii) (strictly) increasing or decreasing

i) then establish if the function is a concave, strictly concave, convex or strictly convex function using the typical definition

f[aU + (1-a)V] _> af(U) + (1-a)f(V)


any correspondence before 11.45am GMT would be very appreciated!

ross
 
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So what have you tried?
 
ive been staring at the problem for days, and that hasn't helped so far.

i thought the left hand side of he inequality might be

f[ax1 + (1-a)x2] ² + [ay1+ (1-a)y2] ² >

with 1 variable the other condition is

f(x) is strictly increasing in X iff for any two points in X, say x1, x2 , such that x2>x1 we have that f(x2) > f(x1), and increasing if you replace the greater than sign with the greater than or equal to sign.

but how two use this for a two variable function of the form Z = x²+y² is still a mystery

still don't really no wat to do
 
My first thought was that this is homework but that can't be- because the question simply makes no sense!

It makes no sense to talk about a function being "increasing" because there is no "natural order" on R2.
"(x) is strictly increasing in X iff for any two points in X, say x1, x2 , such that x2>x1 we have that f(x2) > f(x1),"
And what do you mean by "x2> x1" in two dimensions.

As for determining whether f(x,y)= x^2+ y^2 is continuous or not, what properties of continuous functions do you know? It's trivial if you can use the fact that the composition of continuous functions is continuous.
 
this homework question has certainly confused me - thanks v much for that reply, but then it goes on to say that looking at that condition and this one, "sum of concave function theorem: if f(x) and g(x) are both concave (convex) functions, then f(x) + g(x) is also a concave (convex) function. if f(x) and g(x) are both concave (convex) functions and in addition either one of them or both are strictly concave (strictly convex) then f(x) + g(x) is also strictly concave (strictly convex)"

this follows on from what you just said. But how does this confirm concavity in the function if indeed it is concave?

for that is my main problem, proving concavity or convexity, be it strictly or no
 

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