Proof involving convex function and concave function

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The discussion revolves around a problem in convex analysis, specifically involving a convex function and a concave function defined on a vector space over the real numbers. The task is to demonstrate that the set of points where the convex function is less than or equal to the concave function is itself convex.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of the definitions of convex and concave functions, questioning how to apply these definitions to demonstrate the convexity of the specified set. There is a discussion about the necessary inequalities and the definition of a convex set.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting the need to clarify the definition of a convex set and how it relates to the inequalities derived from the functions. There is an acknowledgment of a misinterpretation regarding the dimensionality of the problem, leading to a reevaluation of the approach.

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Some participants note the importance of correctly applying the definitions of convexity and concavity, as well as the need to ensure that the inequalities hold for all relevant points in the vector space.

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Homework Statement


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Let X be a vector space over ##\mathbb{R}## and ## f: X \rightarrow \mathbb{R} ## be a convex function and ##g: X \rightarrow \mathbb{R}## be a concave function. Show: The set {##x \in X: f(x) \leq g(x)##} is convex.

Homework Equations


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If f is convex ##\rightarrow## ##f(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y) \leq \alpha f(x) + (1-\alpha)f(y)##
If g is concave ##\rightarrow## ##g(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y) \leq \alpha g(x) + (1-\alpha)g(y)##
##\forall x,y \in X ## and ## \alpha \in \mathbb{R}## where ## 0 < \alpha < 1##

The Attempt at a Solution



I just assumed that because
##f(x) \leq g(x)## ##\rightarrow## ##f(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y) \leq g(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y)##.
And also
##\alpha f(x) + (1-\alpha)f(y) \leq \alpha g(x) + (1-\alpha)g(y)##.

Then because we have that g is convex and f is concave from the relevant equations we have:
## f(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y) \leq \alpha f(x) + (1-\alpha)f(y) \leq \alpha g(x) + (1-\alpha)g(y) \leq g(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y)##

I know this isn't enough to show that the set is convex, but I am wondering I am on the right track of thinking and what possible next steps should be.
 
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TyroneTheDino said:

Homework Statement


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Let X be a vector space over ##\mathbb{R}## and ## f: X \rightarrow \mathbb{R} ## be a convex function and ##g: X \rightarrow \mathbb{R}## be a concave function. Show: The set {##x \in X: f(x) \leq g(x)##} is convex.

Homework Equations


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If f is convex ##\rightarrow## ##f(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y) \leq \alpha f(x) + (1-\alpha)f(y)##
If g is concave ##\rightarrow## ##g(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y) \leq \alpha g(x) + (1-\alpha)g(y)##
##\forall x,y \in X ## and ## \alpha \in \mathbb{R}## where ## 0 < \alpha < 1##

The Attempt at a Solution



I just assumed that because
##f(x) \leq g(x)## ##\rightarrow## ##f(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y) \leq g(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y)##.
And also
##\alpha f(x) + (1-\alpha)f(y) \leq \alpha g(x) + (1-\alpha)g(y)##.

Then because we have that g is convex and f is concave from the relevant equations we have:
## f(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y) \leq \alpha f(x) + (1-\alpha)f(y) \leq \alpha g(x) + (1-\alpha)g(y) \leq g(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y)##

I know this isn't enough to show that the set is convex, but I am wondering I am on the right track of thinking and what possible next steps should be.
The next step would be to write the definition of a convex set (as opposed to a convex function). Then see what you can do with your inequalities.
 
tnich said:
The next step would be to write the definition of a convex set (as opposed to a convex function). Then see what you can do with your inequalities.

A subset E of X is called convex if, for any ##x,y \in E## and ##t \in (0,1)## then ##(1-t)x + ty \in E##.

So by the inequality I wrote since ##\alpha f(x) + (1-\alpha)f(y)## is contained in the set it is convex?
 
TyroneTheDino said:
A subset E of X is called convex if, for any ##x,y \in E## and ##t \in (0,1)## then ##(1-t)x + ty \in E##.

So by the inequality I wrote since ##\alpha f(x) + (1-\alpha)f(y)## is contained in the set it is convex?
That is kind of the idea, but the set is two-dimensional. You just need to put together the chain of inequalities that shows that for two ordered pairs ##(x_1,y_1), (x_2,y_2)## such that ##x_1,x_2 \in X, f(x_1) \le y_1 \le g(x_1)## and ##f(x_2) \le y_2 \le g(x_2)## if follows that ##(1-t)(x_1,y_1) +t(x_2,y_2)## satisfies the same conditions for ##0\le t\le 1##.
 
tnich said:
That is kind of the idea, but the set is two-dimensional. You just need to put together the chain of inequalities that shows that for two ordered pairs ##(x_1,y_1), (x_2,y_2)## such that ##x_1,x_2 \in X, f(x_1) \le y_1 \le g(x_1)## and ##f(x_2) \le y_2 \le g(x_2)## if follows that ##(1-t)(x_1,y_1) +t(x_2,y_2)## satisfies the same conditions for ##0\le t\le 1##.
Oops. Misread the problem. I'm wrong about the two dimensions. It does say to show that the set X is convex.
 
tnich said:
Oops. Misread the problem. I'm wrong about the two dimensions. It does say to show that the set X is convex.
So what you need to show is that for all ##x, y \in X## and ## t \in (0,1), f((1-t)x + ty) \le g((1-t)x + ty)##.
 
TyroneTheDino said:
If g is concave ##\rightarrow## ##g(\alpha x + (1-\alpha)y) \leq \alpha g(x) + (1-\alpha)g(y)##
##\forall x,y \in X ## and ## \alpha \in \mathbb{R}## where ## 0 < \alpha < 1##
You have just repeated the definition for a convex function, not a concave function. The ##\le## in the definition above should be ##\ge##.
 

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