Convexity of continuous real function, midpoint convex

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a continuous real function defined on an interval, specifically focusing on the concept of midpoint convexity and its implications for convexity. The original poster attempts to prove that if a function satisfies a certain inequality involving midpoints, it must be convex.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster outlines an approach involving the construction of a set of points and seeks to prove its density in a given interval. They express uncertainty about this step and ask for hints. They also inquire about alternative methods for proving the result and about determining membership in the Cantor set.
  • Some participants suggest a simpler proof by leveraging the openness of the set where the function exceeds a linear function, questioning the necessity of the density argument.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different methods and questioning assumptions. Some have offered insights that may guide the original poster towards a more straightforward proof, while others continue to seek clarification on specific points.

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The discussion includes considerations of continuity, the properties of convex functions, and the nature of the Cantor set, indicating a rich mathematical context. The original poster's questions reflect a common challenge in understanding the implications of definitions and theorems in real analysis.

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Assume f is a continuous real function defined in (a,b) such that f([tex]\frac{x+y}{2}[/tex])<=[tex]\frac{f(x)+f(y)}{2}[/tex] for all x,y in(a,b) then f is convex.


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my attempt is to suppose there are 3 points p<r<q such that f(r)>g(r), where g(x) is the straight line connecting (p,f(p)) and (q,f(q)), and get a contradiction.
1, There exists a neighborhood of r such that any x in N(r) implies that f(x)>g(x), followed by continuity.
2, Let E_0={p,q}, define E_1 = E_0[tex]\cup[/tex]{x | x is a mid point of any two points in E_0}. we continue this procedure and let E= union of all E_n.
3, For any points x in E, f(x)<=g(x), which can be proved straightforwardly
4, then we can find a point t in E which is also in N(r) such that f(x)<=g(x), if E is proved to be dense in [p,q].
5, we get a contradiction.


Question 1, I got stuck when I came to prove that E is dense in [p,q], it is jammed...Could anyone give me some hint to prove E is dense?

Question 2, Is there any other way(easier or harder are both welcome) to prove it?

Question 3, by the way, how can I determine whether a point belongs to Cantor set or not? Say, 1/4?1/5?

Thanks a lot!
 
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well, I think I know how to prove that E is dense in [p,q] by the following steps:
suppose there exist a point in [p,q] and a neighborhood associated with it, such that N_0[tex]\cap[/tex]E = empty, and diam(N_1)=d, then I can always find another segment N_1, where diam(N_1)=2d... suppose we have find that N_n such that diam(N_n)=(2^n)*d. If diam(N_n)>(q-p)/2, the point (q+p)/2 is in N_n, contradicting that (q+p)/2 is also in E.
Hence E is dense in [p,q].

so, any other way to prove it? I think it could be done in an easier way...
Thanks!
 
I think you can prove it a lot more simply. You've picked r so f(r)>g(r). The set of all x such that f(x)>g(x) is open (since both functions are continuous). So there's an open interval around r in the set. Take the endpoints of the open interval to be x and y. Doesn't that work? I don't see why you have to worry about any set being dense.
 
Dick said:
The set of all x such that f(x)>g(x) is open (since both functions are continuous)

This is cool! I didn't realize it... Thanks a lot
 

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