Convolution Problem: Solve 2e^{-t}u(t) \ast e^{t}u(-t)

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The discussion revolves around the convolution of the functions 2e^{-t}u(t) and e^{t}u(-t), where u(t) is the step function. Participants are exploring the implications of the step functions on the limits of integration for the convolution operation.

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the correct limits for the integral involved in the convolution, expressing confusion about the behavior of the step functions. There is a suggestion to consider using the Fourier transform as an alternative approach, but some participants note that they have not learned this technique yet.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the non-zero intervals of the step functions and how they affect the convolution limits. Some guidance has been provided regarding the integration limits, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants mention constraints such as not having learned certain techniques (like Fourier transforms) and the need to mechanically perform the integration instead. This indicates a focus on foundational understanding rather than advanced methods.

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Homework Statement



Convolve,

[tex]2e^{-t}u(t) \ast e^{t}u(-t) \quad \text{Where u(t) is the step function}[/tex]

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]2e^{t}\int_{?}^{?}e^{-\tau}u(\tau) e^{-\tau}u(-t+\tau)d \tau[/tex]

I'm not sure what the limits on my integral should be, the u(-t) is confusing me. Shouldn't the second function only be nonzero from -infinity to 0 and the other from to +infinity?

Thanks again!
 
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jegues said:

Homework Statement



Convolve,

[tex]2e^{-t}u(t) \ast e^{t}u(-t) \quad \text{Where u(t) is the step function}[/tex]

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]2e^{t}\int_{?}^{?}e^{-\tau}u(\tau) e^{-\tau}u(-t+\tau)d \tau[/tex]

I'm not sure what the limits on my integral should be, the u(-t) is confusing me. Shouldn't the second function only be nonzero from -infinity to 0 and the other from to +infinity?

Thanks again!

The limits are from ##-\infty## to ##\infty##, but of course the step functions can cut the interval down by being zero in places. But perhaps an easier approach would be to remember that the Fourier transform ##\mathcal F## satisfies$$
\mathcal F(f * g) =\hat f (\omega)\cdot \hat g(\omega)$$So transform the functions, multiply the transforms, and invert the result. That would give ##f*g## and you can likely just use transform tables and be done with it.
 
LCKurtz said:
The limits are from ##-\infty## to ##\infty##, but of course the step functions can cut the interval down by being zero in places. But perhaps an easier approach would be to remember that the Fourier transform ##\mathcal F## satisfies$$
\mathcal F(f * g) =\hat f (\omega)\cdot \hat g(\omega)$$So transform the functions, multiply the transforms, and invert the result. That would give ##f*g## and you can likely just use transform tables and be done with it.

We haven't learned that technique yet nor do we have access to tables so is there a way we can mechanically do the integration?

How would it be done?
 
For what values of [itex]\tau[/itex] is [itex]u(\tau)[/itex] nonzero?

For what values of [itex]\tau[/itex] is [itex]u(-t + \tau)[/itex] nonzero?
 
jegues said:

Homework Statement



Convolve,

[tex]2e^{-t}u(t) \ast e^{t}u(-t) \quad \text{Where u(t) is the step function}[/tex]

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]2e^{t}\int_{?}^{?}e^{-\tau}u(\tau) e^{-\tau}u(-t+\tau)d \tau[/tex]

I'm not sure what the limits on my integral should be, the u(-t) is confusing me. Shouldn't the second function only be nonzero from -infinity to 0 and the other from to +infinity?

Thanks again!

LCKurtz said:
The limits are from ##-\infty## to ##\infty##, but of course the step functions can cut the interval down by being zero in places. But perhaps an easier approach would be to remember that the Fourier transform ##\mathcal F## satisfies$$
\mathcal F(f * g) =\hat f (\omega)\cdot \hat g(\omega)$$So transform the functions, multiply the transforms, and invert the result. That would give ##f*g## and you can likely just use transform tables and be done with it.

jegues said:
We haven't learned that technique yet nor do we have access to tables so is there a way we can mechanically do the integration?

How would it be done?

Well, start with this:$$
2e^{t}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{-\tau}u(\tau) e^{-\tau}u(-t+\tau)d \tau$$Then, since ##u(\tau)## is zero for ##\tau <0## and 1 for ##\tau > 0## you can write it as$$
2e^{t}\int_{0}^{\infty}e^{-\tau}\cdot 1 \cdot e^{-\tau}u(-t+\tau)d \tau$$Next you know ##u(\tau - t)## is only going to be 1 if ##\tau > t##, so that needs to be taken into account in the limits. When you work on it you will see it matters whether ##t > 0## or not. See if you can take it from there.
 

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