Corollary 3.1.3 - Berrick and Keating - Noetherian Modules

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The discussion centers around the proof of Corollary 3.1.3 from the book "An Introduction to Rings and Modules with K-theory in View" by A.J. Berrick and M.E. Keating, specifically in the context of Noetherian rings and modules. Participants are seeking assistance in formulating a formal and rigorous proof for this corollary, which is related to Proposition 3.1.2.

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  • Peter expresses a need for help in proving Corollary 3.1.3, noting that the authors do not provide a proof and suggesting that it may be considered simple.
  • Deveno provides an example of generating sets for direct sums, stating that if $\{m_1,\dots,m_k\}$ generate $M$ and $\{n_1,\dots,n_r\}$ generate $N$, then $\{(m_1,0),\dots,(m_k,0),(0,n_1),\dots,(0,n_r)\}$ generates $M \oplus N$.
  • Peter acknowledges Deveno's explanation but questions how the statement relates to Proposition 3.1.2, indicating uncertainty about the dependency of the corollary on the proposition.
  • Another participant mentions a short exact sequence related to the direct sum $M \oplus N$, providing mappings that illustrate the structure of the sequence.

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Participants are engaged in a discussion with some agreement on the generation of direct sums, but there is uncertainty regarding the relationship between Corollary 3.1.3 and Proposition 3.1.2. The discussion remains unresolved as to how the corollary depends on the proposition.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the formal proof of Corollary 3.1.3 and its connection to Proposition 3.1.2, as well as the assumptions underlying these statements.

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I am reading the book "An Introduction to Rings and Modules with K-theory in View" by A.J. Berrick and M.E. Keating ... ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 3; Noetherian Rings and Polynomial Rings.

I need help with the proof of Corollary 3.1.3.

The statement of Corollary 3.1.3 reads as follows (page 110):https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/4875Now, Berrick and Keating give no proof of this Corollary: presumably they think the proof is simple and obvious. Maybe it is ... but I need help in formulating a formal and rigorous proof ... can someone please help ...Because we are dealing with a Corollary to Proposition 3.1.2 readers of this post need the text of that Proposition. Proposition 3.1.2 and its proof are as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/4876
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/4877Hope someone can help with the proof of Corollary 3.1.3 ... ...

Peter
 
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Suppose $\{m_1,\dots,m_k\}$ generate $M$, and $\{n_1,\dots,n_r\}$ generate $N$.

Then $\{(m_1,0),\dots,(m_k,0),(0,n_1),\dots,(0,n_r)\}$ generate $M \oplus N$.

For example, $\{(1,0),(0,1)\}$ generates $\Bbb Z \oplus \Bbb Z$.
 
Deveno said:
Suppose $\{m_1,\dots,m_k\}$ generate $M$, and $\{n_1,\dots,n_r\}$ generate $N$.

Then $\{(m_1,0),\dots,(m_k,0),(0,n_1),\dots,(0,n_r)\}$ generate $M \oplus N$.

For example, $\{(1,0),(0,1)\}$ generates $\Bbb Z \oplus \Bbb Z$.
Oh OK ... thanks Deveno ... clear now ... appreciate your help ...

BUT ... clear as it is ... it does not seem to be a Corollary of Proposition 3.1.2 ... how does it depend on Proposition 3.1.2

Can you help with the second statement of the Corollary?

Peter
 
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For any direct sum $M \oplus N$ we clearly have the short exact sequence:

$0 \to M \to M \oplus N \to N \to 0$,

where $\alpha: M \to M \oplus N$ is given by $\alpha(m) = (m,0_N)$

and $\beta: M\oplus N \to N$ is given by $\beta(m,n) = n$.
 

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