Correct me if I am wrong, but atoms emit photons when they jump energy

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The discussion centers on the emission of photons by atoms during energy level transitions, exploring the mechanisms involved in these processes, including both radiative and non-radiative pathways. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and technical explanations related to atomic and molecular behavior in quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant asserts that atoms emit photons when they jump energy levels, seeking confirmation of this claim.
  • Another participant agrees but expresses uncertainty, indicating a lack of confidence in their understanding.
  • A different participant clarifies that electrons must absorb energy to increase their energy level and emits energy as a photon when transitioning to a lower level, challenging the original phrasing of "jump."
  • It is noted that there are non-radiative pathways for electrons to transition between energy levels, such as energy transfer between molecules without photon emission.
  • One participant emphasizes that the processes discussed primarily apply to molecules rather than atoms, questioning the existence of non-radiative processes for atoms specifically.
  • Another participant elaborates on atomic behavior, stating that a single atom lacks vibrational or rotational degrees of freedom and cannot change momentum without emitting something, linking photon emission to atomic recoil.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of energy transitions, particularly regarding the role of photons and non-radiative processes. There is no consensus on whether non-radiative processes apply to atoms, indicating ongoing uncertainty and debate.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of energy transitions in atomic and molecular systems, with limitations in understanding non-radiative processes specifically for atoms. Some assumptions about the behavior of electrons and the nature of energy transitions remain unresolved.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but atoms emit photons when they jump energy levels. Right?
 
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yes they do
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I think...
 


Depends what you mean by jump (also, it's the electron that "jumps" energy levels). An electron needs to absorb energy to increase its energy level. It can do this by absorbing a photon; so if by jump, you meant increase, then no, that would not be correct.

Think of it this way: if an electron goes to a higher level, it needs to gain some energy to do so. It can do this by absorbing a photon. If it goes to a lower level, it loses some energy, which is emitted as a photon.
 


There are also non-radiative pathways (i.e. pathways that do not involve the absorption/emission of photons) for electrons to transition between different energy levels. For example, an electron can relax from an exited state to the ground state by releasing the energy as heat which gets transferred to surrounding molecules.

Electrons can be excited in non-radiative means as well. For example, an excited molecule (let's call it the donor molecule) can interact with an unexcited molecule (let's call this the acceptor molecule). Through a process known as resonance energy transfer, the energy from the excited electron in the donor can be transferred to the acceptor molecule. In the end, the donor molecule goes from the excited state to the ground state while the acceptor molecule goes from the ground state to the excited state. This process does not involve the emission of a photon by the donor and subsequent absorption of the photon by the acceptor (we know this because experiments show that resonance energy transfer from the donor to the acceptor occurs on a faster timescale than the emission of a photon by the donor).

Now, here's the caveat: the original process asked about atoms specifically. The processes I mentioned above occur mainly in molecules and many rely on properties specific to molecules (as opposed to atoms). I'm not sure if there are non-radiative excitation/relaxation processes that occur for atoms.
 


Ygggdrasil said:
Now, here's the caveat: the original process asked about atoms specifically. The processes I mentioned above occur mainly in molecules and many rely on properties specific to molecules (as opposed to atoms). I'm not sure if there are non-radiative excitation/relaxation processes that occur for atoms.

That's pretty easy if you think about it.. A single atom has no vibrational or rotational degrees of freedom,
only its electronic and kinetic energy, and obviously it can't spontaneously accelerate or decelerate without emitting something.

Or to look at it another way: The electrons have a zero (expectation value) momentum before and after the transition,
so there's no momentum they can transfer to the nucleus. When a photon is emitted, the photon's momentum comes from the recoil of the atom.
 


Thank you for all the help and I apologize for the late reply (been busy).
 

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