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The discussion revolves around a motion problem involving displacement over time intervals, with a focus on whether the displacement increases by a constant amount each second. Participants explore the implications of constant acceleration and the relationship between displacement and velocity in this context.

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  • Participants present various interpretations of the problem, questioning whether the displacement can indeed increase by a constant amount each second. Some suggest that the acceleration must be constant, while others explore different acceleration profiles. There are discussions about the calculations involved and the implications of periodic acceleration on displacement.

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The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored. Some participants have offered mathematical reasoning to support their views, while others express doubts about the conclusions drawn. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue continues around the nature of the motion described.

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The problem specifies that the displacement during any given interval of 1 second is 3 meters larger than the previous interval, which raises questions about the nature of acceleration and velocity profiles that could satisfy this condition.

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Homework Statement
A particle moves along a straight line in such a way that its displacement during any given interval of 1 second is 3 meters larger than its displacement during the previous interval of 1 second. Which one of the following options is correct?
a. the particle moves with constant velocity 6 m/s
b. the particle moves with constant velocity 3 m/s
c. the particle moves with constant acceleration 3 m/s/s
d. the particle moves with constant acceleration 6 m/s/s
e. the particle moves with increasing acceleration over time
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Let say the displacement of the first interval of 1 second is 10 m, so the displacement of the next 1 second interval will be 13 m, and the next after this one will be 16 m and so on.

Option (a) and (b) are wrong because in any interval of 1 second the displacement will be constant

I think option (c), (d) and (e) are also all wrong because the increment of displacement of each 1 second interval won't be constant 3 meters.

Am I wrong or actually no correct option? Thanks
 
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I actually found that option c) is correct.

Define $$y(t)=v_0((t+1)-t)+\frac{1}{2}a((t+1)^2-t^2)$$, that is y(t) is the displacement between time t and t+1 (assuming motion with constant acceleration ##a## and initial velocity ##v_0##).
The problem tell us that ##y(t)=y(t-1)+3##. If you do the math you ll conclude that ##a=3##.
 
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songoku said:
I think option (c), (d) and (e) are also all wrong because the increment of displacement of each 1 second interval won't be constant 3 meters.

Am I wrong or actually no correct option? Thanks

If it travels ##3m## more every second, then it's traveling ##3m/s## faster every second, and that is pretty much the definition of an acceleration of ##3m/s^2##.

Is there any reason you chose not to do a calculation?
 
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PeroK said:
If it travels ##3m## more every second, then it's traveling ##3m/s## faster every second, and that is pretty much the definition of an acceleration of ##3m/s^2##.

Is there any reason you chose not to do a calculation?
I think your reasoning is correct but for the average velocity and for the average acceleration. To prove that the acceleration is constant one has to do the math as i suggest in post #2.
 
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Delta2 said:
I actually found that option c) is correct.

Define $$y(t)=\frac{1}{2}a((t+1)^2-t^2)$$, that is y(t) is the displacement between time t and t+1 (assuming motion with constant acceleration a).
The problem tell us that ##y(t)=y(t-1)+3##. If you do the math you ll conclude that ##a=3##.

PeroK said:
If it travels ##3m## more every second, then it's traveling ##3m/s## faster every second, and that is pretty much the definition of an acceleration of ##3m/s^2##.

Is there any reason you chose not to do a calculation?

I did something like this:

Assume the object starts from rest and accelerates for ##3m/s^2##. Using kinematic formula:

##d = V_o ~ . ~ t + \frac{1}{2}at^2 = \frac{3}{2}t^2##

For ##t = 0 \rightarrow d = 0##

For ##t = 1 \rightarrow d = \frac{3}{2} m##

For ##t = 2 \rightarrow d = 12 m##

So I got that the object did not travel ##3 m## more each second
 
First of all for ##t=2## it is ##d=6m##. The problem tell us that it should be $$(\frac{3}{2}-0)+3=6-\frac{3}{2}$$ which holds.
 
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songoku said:
I did something like this:

Assume the object starts from rest and accelerates for ##3m/s^2##. Using kinematic formula:

##d = V_o ~ . ~ t + \frac{1}{2}at^2 = \frac{3}{2}t^2##

For ##t = 0 \rightarrow d = 0##

For ##t = 1 \rightarrow d = \frac{3}{2} m##

For ##t = 2 \rightarrow d = 12 m##

So I got that the object did not travel ##3 m## more each second

If we assume ##a = 3m/s^2## and look at the velocity after each second we get:
$$t = 1s, v(1) = 3m/s; \ \ t = 2s, v(2) = 6m/s; \ \ t = 3s, v(3) = 9 m/s$$
Now we take the average velocity ##v_{avg}## during each second:
$$v_{avg}(0-1) = 1.5 m/s; \ \ v_{avg}(1-2) = 4.5 m/s; \ \ v_{avg}(2-3) = 7.5 m/s$$
And, we have the distance traveled every second:
$$d(0-1) = 1.5m; \ \ d(1-2) = 4.5m; \ \ d(2-3) = 7.5m$$
And we can see the distance traveled per second increases by ##3m## every second.
 
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Delta2 said:
First of all for ##t=2## it is ##d=6m##. The problem tell us that it should be $$(\frac{3}{2}-0)+3=6-\frac{3}{2}$$ which holds.

PeroK said:
If we assume ##a = 3m/s^2## and look at the velocity after each second we get:
$$t = 1s, v(1) = 3m/s; \ \ t = 2s, v(2) = 6m/s; \ \ t = 3s, v(3) = 9 m/s$$
Now we take the average velocity ##v_{avg}## during each second:
$$v_{avg}(0-1) = 1.5 m/s; \ \ v_{avg}(1-2) = 4.5 m/s; \ \ v_{avg}(2-3) = 7.5 m/s$$
And, we have the distance traveled every second:
$$d(0-1) = 1.5m; \ \ d(1-2) = 4.5m; \ \ d(2-3) = 7.5m$$
And we can see the distance traveled per second increases by ##3m## every second.

Thank you very much for the help delta2 and perok
 
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Many non-constant acceleration profiles are possible.

The conditions of the problem are consistent with, for instance, a particle that is at rest for t=0 through t=0.5 and accelerates at 6 m/sec2 for t=0.5 through t=1.0, ending the interval at v=3 m/sec. The particle then repeats the acceleration profile forever, coasting for half a second and accelerating hard for another half-second.

Indeed, any acceleration profile will work, provided only that the delta v between interval start and interval end is 3 m/sec2 and that the profile is periodic with period 1 second.

One might imagine scenarios where velocity and acceleration are undefined everywhere. The problem statement only talks about "displacement". But this is a physics, not math, so I will not go there.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
Many non-constant acceleration profiles are possible.

The problem does state:
A particle moves along a straight line in such a way that its displacement during any given interval of 1 second is 3 meters larger than its displacement during the previous interval of 1 second.

"during any given interval" rules out many interpretations.
 
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hmmm27 said:
"during any given interval" rules out many interpretations.
Yes. It was tempting to think that it would rule out everything but a constant acceleration profile. Such is not the case. Though it does enforce periodicity.
 
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I don't think that any acceleration profile such that ##a(t)## is periodic with period 1sec and $$\int_t^{t+1} a(s)ds=3$$ (which simply means that the velocity is increasing by 3 units at the end of each second), would satisfy the condition of the displacement in any second being 3 units greater than the displacement in the previous second. It seems to work with piecewise constant accelerations but i don't think it will work with any acceleration curve.
 
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Delta2 said:
I don't think that any acceleration profile such that ##a(t)## is periodic with period 1sec and $$\int_t^{t+1} a(s)ds=3$$ (which simply means that the velocity is increasing by 3 units at the end of each second), would satisfy the condition of the displacement in any second being 3 units greater than the displacement in the previous second. It seems to work with piecewise constant accelerations but i don't think it will work with any acceleration curve.
Why ever would it not work? If the acceleration is periodic (with period 1 second) and has an integral which is equal to 3 over any specific 1 second interval then it must have an integral which is equal to 3 over every 1 second interval.

It follows that the velocity at any time will be 3 m/s greater than the velocity one second prior.

It then follows that the displacement over any 1 second interval is 3 meters greater than the displacement in the 1 second prior.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
It then follows that the displacement over any 1 second interval is 3 meters greater than the displacement in the 1 second prior.
i have serious doubts about this logical step. The displacement during 1sec depends on the velocity curve for that 1sec and not only on the start and end velocity.
 
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Delta2 said:
i have serious doubts about this logical step. The displacement during 1sec depends on the velocity curve for that 1sec and not only on the start and end velocity.
$$\int_{T+1}^{T+2} v(t)\ dt = \int_T^{T+1}3+v(t)\ dt = \int_T^{T+1} 3\ dt + \int_T^{T+1}v(t)\ dt = 3 + \int_T^{T+1} v(t)\ dt$$
By the time we get to this step we've already reasoned that v(t) = 3 + v(t-1) for all t. Which is to say we've already constrained the entire velocity curve over the interval, not just its endpoints.
 
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yes well i now realized that the velocity curve will also be kind of periodic (same waveform just shifted by +3 on the vertical axis, every 1 sec.), thanks for this.
 
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