Correct this improper definition of a limit

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The discussion revolves around the definition of a limit in the context of sequences, specifically addressing a misunderstanding presented by a student named Eddy. The problem highlights the implications of an incorrect definition and its consequences on the convergence of a sequence.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the differences between Eddy's definition and the standard definition of a limit, particularly focusing on the roles of N and ε in the convergence criteria. There are attempts to illustrate why Eddy's definition leads to contradictions, especially regarding the sequence 1/n.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the implications of the incorrect definition, noting that it fails to account for the necessity of a different N for each ε. The conversation appears to be productive, with at least one participant affirming the reasoning presented by another.

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There is an emphasis on the importance of understanding the correct definition of limits in mathematical analysis, as well as the constraints of Eddy's definition that lead to confusion. Participants are encouraged to think critically about the implications of definitions in mathematical contexts.

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Homework Statement


Eddy wrote on his midterm exam that the definition of the limit is the
following: The sequence {an} converges to the real number L if there
exists an N ∈ Natural numbers so that for every \epsilon > 0 we have |an − L| < \epsilon for all
n > N. Show Eddy why he is wrong by demonstrating that if this were
the definition of the limit then it would not be true that lim n→∞ 1/n = 0.
(Hint: What does it mean if |a − b| < \epsilon for every \epsilon > 0?)


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|a-b| <ε means that ||a|-|b|| < ε from the reverse triangle inequality


The Attempt at a Solution


I know it has to do with the fact that the actual definition of a limit has "for every ε > 0, there exists an N \in Natural numbers S.T. ..." so, Eddy reversed that part of the definition. I just haven't been able to quite see the difference of the two. A little push in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. I like figuring these out on my own, so no full on answers, please.
 
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So there exists a certain N.

Let \varepsilon = |1/N|[/tex]<br /> <br /> and try to prove that 1/n does not converge to 0 with this definition.
 
I'm not quite sure I follow. I ended up answering it this way: Eddy's definition implies there is a single natural number, N, such that for all n>N |1/n|< every epsilon greater than zero. Which is not true. For every epsilon you give me, I can find an N such that 1/n is less than that epsilon for all n>N, but if you pick a newer, smaller epsilon, my N has to be larger, and since the natural numbers are unbounded, we can do this forever. But, it's a different N for each new epsilon, not one single N like eddy implied. Does that make sense?
 
That's right.
 

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