Correct usage of Gauss's Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Gauss's Theorem to determine the electric field intensity at a specific point due to a long thread with uniform charge density. The original poster attempts to find the electric field at point O, which is positioned near the end of the thread, and notes a discrepancy in their calculated result.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the point O's location relative to the thread's ends and question the assumption of radial symmetry in the electric field. There is a discussion about integrating contributions from elementary charges along the thread.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the electric field near the end of the thread and discussing the limitations of applying Gauss's Theorem in this scenario. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the contributions of the electric field components due to the finite length of the thread.

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There is a mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the radial nature of the electric field and the implications of being near the end of the charged thread, which may affect the application of symmetry in their calculations.

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We have to find the electric field intensity at point O due to a long thread with uniform charge density λ per unit length. R is much less compared to the length of the thread.

The Attempt at a Solution



We can consider a closed Gaussian Cylindrical Surface around the long thread such that the point O lies on it.
Using Gauss's theorem, I found out the electric field intensity at point O as
E = λ/2πεR
This method gives me a wrong result as E is √2λ/4πεR.
Please explain me where am I wrong?
 

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Is the point O near the end of the thread?

ehild
 
Yes, the point O is exactly opposite to the lower end of the thread.
 
In this case, the electric field is not radial everywhere, and its intensity also varies along the thread. Integrate the contributions of the elementary charges.

ehild
 
I don't understand how the electric field is not radial. When we derive the the standard equation for the electric field intensity due an infinitely long wire with uniform charge distribution, we take the direction of electric field perpendicular to the line charge (which is radial to a Gaussian Surface imagined), what is different here?
 
The difference is that we are near the end of the the thread, so we can not use the mirror symmetry of an infinite long one. See attachment. A piece of thread with charge dq has a contribution to the electric field shown by the arrow. dE has both radial and y components. The y component would cancel if the thread extended to the negative y direction to negative infinity. But is does not in this case. The Gaussian surface should contain both the wall and the base of that cylinder.

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Thanks!
 

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