Cosine Error: 5mm Ball Tip Stylus at 7.5° Angle

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The discussion revolves around the concept of cosine error in relation to a 5 mm ball tip stylus measuring a surface at a 7.5° angle. Participants explore the implications of cosine error on measurement accuracy, particularly in the context of varying surface geometries compared to CAD nominal values.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

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  • Some participants assert that cosine error is a vector and depends on the angle between the probe and the normal vector, suggesting that as this angle increases, the error also increases.
  • One participant presents a formula for cosine error, expressed as $$ \epsilon = r \left[ 1-\cos \alpha + \sin \alpha \cos \alpha \tan \frac{\alpha}{2} \right]$$, indicating a mathematical approach to quantify the error.
  • Another participant proposes alternative formulations for cosine error, including $$ \epsilon = r \left( 1- \cos \alpha \right) \left( 1 + \cos \alpha \right)$$ and $$ \epsilon = r \sin^2 \alpha$$, suggesting these may be cleaner or more computationally efficient.
  • One participant calculates the cosine error using the last formula, arriving at an approximate value of 0.085 mm for the given angle.
  • A later reply emphasizes the significance of even small errors, noting that an error of 0.0033" is considerable when checking high precision parts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best mathematical representation of cosine error, with no consensus on a single formula. While some agree on the implications of cosine error, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach to quantify it.

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Participants reference various mathematical formulations without resolving potential discrepancies in their equivalence or applicability. The discussion does not clarify the assumptions underlying the calculations or the specific conditions under which the formulas are valid.

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Cosine error of a measured point on the surface is not a simple value, but a vector. If the ball contacts the part surface at a point located a distance from the theoretical or nominal point then the angle between the probe and the normal vector gets larger, P1 P2 will increase. We have cosine error. This error occurs when the part surface varies compared to the CAD nominal. If the angle between the probe actual touch point P and the normal vector P2 gets larger, P1 P2 will increase.

Help..If I have a 5 mm ball tip stylus and can only vector in to the surface at 7.5° how much cosine error will I have?

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Ranger Mike said:
Cosine error of a measured point on the surface is not a simple value, but a vector. If the ball contacts the part surface at a point located a distance from the theoretical or nominal point then the angle between the probe and the normal vector gets larger, P1 P2 will increase. We have cosine error. This error occurs when the part surface varies compared to the CAD nominal. If the angle between the probe actual touch point P and the normal vector P2 gets larger, P1 P2 will increase.

Help..If I have a 5 mm ball tip stylus and can only vector in to the surface at 7.5° how much cosine error will I have?

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For what you have labeled as the cosine error ( call it ##\epsilon##) in the diagram I'm getting:

$$ \epsilon = r \left[ 1-\cos \alpha + \sin \alpha \cos \alpha \tan \frac{\alpha}{2} \right]$$
 
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ero, thank you for taking the time to look at this.
error = 5 mm [ 1 - cos 7.5° + sin 7.5° times cos 7.5° times (tan 7.5° /2) ]
 
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Ranger Mike said:
ero, thank you for taking the time to look at this.
error = 5 mm [ 1 - cos 7.5° + sin 7.5° times cos 7.5° times (tan 7.5° /2) ]

Second go, I think a cleaner version is:

$$ \epsilon = r \left( 1- \cos \alpha \right) \left( 1 + \cos \alpha \right) $$

But they should give the same result.

Or even cleaner!

$$ \epsilon = r \sin^2 \alpha$$

Sorry for all the changes...but as I keep looking I keep seeing more simplifications...
 
I checked the first against the last and they are equivalent. Computationally, better to use the last one!

I get ##\epsilon = 5 [\text{mm}] \sin^2 (7.5°) \approx 0.085 [\rm{mm}]##
 
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when checking high precision parts, the error of 0.0033" is HUGE.

thank you for the great work.
 
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