Could Dark Matter be composed of neutrons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties and potential composition of dark matter, specifically considering whether it could be made up of neutrons. Participants explore the interactions of neutrons, their stability, and the implications of their properties in the context of dark matter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that neutrons, like neutrinos, do not interact with forces other than gravity, raising the possibility of their role in dark matter.
  • Another participant corrects the claim that neutrons do not interact with the electromagnetic force, stating that they have a magnetic moment.
  • Concerns are raised about the stability of free neutrons, noting that they decay into protons, electrons, and antineutrinos, and questioning the conditions under which neutrons could exist stably in space.
  • It is pointed out that the decay of free neutrons does not require the presence of neutrinos, contradicting the initial assumption about neutrino saturation affecting neutron stability.
  • Participants discuss the implications of uncompressed matter made solely of neutrons, with one asserting that such a state cannot exist.
  • A reminder is issued regarding forum rules against personal theories, emphasizing the importance of asking questions rather than proposing unverified scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the interactions of neutrons and the feasibility of their stability in space. There is no consensus on the potential role of neutrons in dark matter, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of their properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding neutron interactions and decay processes, as well as the speculative nature of considering hypothetical scenarios about neutron stability in different regions of space.

TerranIV
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I was thinking about the properties of dark matter - how it doesn't seem to interact with any of the forces of the universe except gravity and I was thinking about how neutrinos also don't have any charge and they don't interact with any other forces except the weak force and gravity. I thought how it would probably be difficult to observe weak force interactions in dark matter at a cosmic scale and then it occurred to me - neutrons also don't interact with the EM force!

I know that neutrons are normally very short lived by themselves and quickly decay (into hydrogen atoms?) but what if there was portions of space where this wasn't the case. I know that neutron stars are made of highly compressed neutrons so they interact quite energetically with "regular" matter, but what would uncompressed normal-density (or just higher density) matter look like if it was only comprised of neutrons?

Am I correct that it neutrinos which interact with free neutrons to decay into hydrogen or a proton? If so, if there were sections of space where the neutrino saturation level were significantly lower could neutrons exist stably for long periods of time? If so, this seems like this matter would have the exact properties we are looking for in dark matter.

Any thoughts? If I have my facts wrong can someone correct me?

Thanks!

-Jeff
 
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TerranIV said:
neutrons also don't interact with the EM force!

Yes, they do. Neutrons don't have any electric charge, but they have a magnetic moment.

TerranIV said:
I know that neutrons are normally very short lived by themselves and quickly decay (into hydrogen atoms?)

A free neutron decays into a proton, electron, and antineutrino. The proton and electron won't normally form a hydrogen atom, at least not right away, because the electron will be too energetic to be captured by the proton.

TerranIV said:
what if there was portions of space where this wasn't the case.

Then the laws of physics would have to be different in those portions of space. All the evidence we have indicates that there are no such portions of space.

TerranIV said:
Am I correct that it neutrinos which interact with free neutrons to decay into hydrogen or a proton? If so, if there were sections of space where the neutrino saturation level were significantly lower could neutrons exist stably for long periods of time?

The normal reaction of free neutrons, as above, produces an antineutrino; it does not require the presence of a neutrino, and so is not affected by the density of neutrinos. There is, IIRC, a related reaction where a neutron can absorb a neutrino and produce a proton and electron, but it is far too rare to have any effect on the stability of free neutrons.
 
TerranIV said:
neutrons also don't interact with the EM force!

This is not true. Neutrons can interact via the EM force, as Peterdonis said.

TerranIV said:
I know that neutron stars are made of highly compressed neutrons so they interact quite energetically with "regular" matter, but what would uncompressed normal-density (or just higher density) matter look like if it was only comprised of neutrons?

Uncompressed matter cannot be made of neutrons, so your question doesn't have an answer.

TerranIV said:
Am I correct that it neutrinos which interact with free neutrons to decay into hydrogen or a proton?

An electron anti-neutrino is emitted during the decay process of a free neutron, but no neutrino interacts with the neutron prior to decay.
 
Please be aware that personal theories are not allowed per PF rules. It's better to ask questions than to make up scenarios and then ask if those scenarios are correct.
 
Thank you for the clarification and feedback. Of course neutrons interact with the EM force - they are made of quarks! *bonks head*

I'll refrain from putting out crazy theories in the future and just ask questions.
 
A good rule of thumb is that if something seems obvious to consider as a solution to an unsolved problem, it probably has been tried and found to fail.

Locking the thread as the question has been answered.
 

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